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Yes, I have read the indictment of Manafort and Gates as well as the plea bargain for George Papadopoulos.

And unless I missed something, there is little connection to the now established narrative of the Russian government (not just random Russians), tipping the election in favour of Trump through hacking DNC and spreading the emails by way of Wikileaks. Which is what I understand Colman was asking about.

Manafort and Gates are charged with illegally receiving  money (and hiding, and lying about it) from Yanukovych, his party and various organisations. The party is described as pro-Russian, but otherwise Russia isn't mentioned there as far as I saw.

George Papadopoulos had contacts primarily with a professor, identified by media as Joseph Mifsud, who promised him contacts with the Russian Ambassador in London (but that didn't happen) and introduced him to a woman Papadopoulos understood to be Putin's niece (but who wasn't). The only solid connection to Russia is an unnamed person that Papadopoulos understood to be working for the Russian Foreign ministry.

Mifsud has in newspapers claimed it was a Russian academic, not a Russian Foreign ministry official.

So what we are left with is a chain of persons that might connect to the Russian Foreign ministry, but a chain that has proven less than trustworthy in the past. Don't really see how that would affect my answer to Colman.

by fjallstrom on Fri Nov 3rd, 2017 at 04:24:02 PM EST
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I feel frustrated by expectation --ginned up by the press-- that this investigation or any indictments obtained by Mueller will result int Trump's indictment. Those expectation gainsay Mueller's main predicament which is to foster an appearance of justice and impartiality, The American Way, while hiding or withholding the very evidence collected, "unmasked" moths ago, by NSA that would incriminate Trump racketeering. Because that's all the prosecution's strategy has going for it that the IRS has clearly been unable to substantiate.

Sordid is an inadequate description of these proceedings which in themselves I had hoped would galvanize public opposition to deep-seated corruption in Congress.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 3rd, 2017 at 07:22:09 PM EST
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