The European Tribune is a forum for thoughtful dialogue of European and international issues. You are invited to post comments and your own articles.
Please REGISTER to post.
You stated the common definition of neoliberal. We sorted out the criteria via (I think) Wikipedia, and I agreed. You then applied it to Hillary, who met all of one of the criteria. And when I pointed this out, you dodged my comment and undoubtedly babbled about The ElitesTM.
Now on this:
This is because it applies too closely to you and your views, IMO. Your champion in the '16 elections was Hillzilla and you have been very critical of those of us who complained that she did not actually support progressive policies.
Small problem here: I voted for Bernie. But, by all means, knock those straw men down.
Granted, I did so mostly to help send a message to the Clintons on foreign policy grounds, because Hillary is too hawkish. I also voiced skepticism of Bernie's ability to win, because I knew Bernie had skeletons in his closet that Hillary wasn't attacking him on -- because she knew she had him beat and didn't want to harm party unity. And because it was clear Bernie was basically the dog who caught the car.
This all seems perfectly reasonable to me. They were both lousy candidates, and I had no champion in that race, so I voted practically. The closest thing to my champion was the guy they were running to assume office behind.
So don't put words in my mouth.
As has been told to you -- by me, Izzy, others -- again and again, we agree with you in large part on Bill Clinton. The Blair analogy is quite right with respect to Bill. But The ClintonsTM are two different people. They always have been. You do understand that Hillary Clinton is allowed to have her own views that may contradict her husband's, right?
And we have pointed out to you, numerous times, the differences in policy proposals. You assert The ClintonsTM lack of support for unions. I don't know why. And you fail to reckon with the obscenely-obvious issue that the very people you claim The ClintonsTM have fucked on that are the same people who voted for Ronald Reagan. You further ignore that and assert that working-class whites are right to lash out, which is an utterly irrational argument.
As for the last paragraph -- yes, people are free to disagree with me on any point I try to make. All I ask is that the disagreement be substantive and not simply moving the goalposts or veering off into utterly-irrelevant assertions.
Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by gmoke - Sep 19 1 comment
by Frank Schnittger - Sep 10 5 comments
by ARGeezer - Sep 7 36 comments
by Frank Schnittger - Sep 2 57 comments
by gmoke - Sep 191 comment
by Cat - Sep 1411 comments
by Frank Schnittger - Sep 105 comments
by ARGeezer - Sep 736 comments
by Frank Schnittger - Sep 257 comments
by THE Twank - Aug 3110 comments
by Frank Schnittger - Aug 2757 comments
by Cat - Aug 2222 comments
by Cat - Aug 2224 comments
by Cat - Aug 185 comments