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by Bjinse Tue Sep 19th, 2017 at 11:16:54 AM EST

Within any thread, there are claims which are true but which cannot be proven to be true


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As you all know, the internet was created for distributing pictures of cats. As I just realized, none have been posted on ET for a long time, if at all. So to make up for this, here are two, one from Venice and one from Chioggia.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Sep 26th, 2017 at 08:40:44 AM EST
The Guardian
Kevin Dutton, a psychologist at Oxford, and the author of The Wisdom of Psychopaths, has been gathering data on musical tastes and other preferences for a psychopath study with Channel 4. More than three million people have responded so far, and while online surveys have serious weaknesses, the results so far suggest psychopaths favour rap music over classical and jazz. They also seem more likely to read the Financial Times than other newspapers.
What about The Economist?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Sep 26th, 2017 at 10:32:59 AM EST
Economist readers are psychopaths who don't respond to online surveys.
by rifek on Tue Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:35:31 PM EST
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They Facebook.

archived: "Facebook's API is less accessible."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Sep 26th, 2017 at 03:36:29 PM EST
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I would say the results are a predictable consequence of the sample selection biases of online surveys.
by rifek on Wed Sep 27th, 2017 at 01:58:49 AM EST
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Kurt Goedel
by rifek on Wed Sep 27th, 2017 at 01:56:30 AM EST
Philosophy Mornington Cescent?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 28th, 2017 at 06:51:42 AM EST
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Mornington Crescent.

I win. Misspellings don't count.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 28th, 2017 at 11:07:08 AM EST
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{puffs on cigarette} "well, shame on you" {/puffs on cigarette}

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 28th, 2017 at 12:50:35 PM EST
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On Albert Einstein's 70th birthday he received a present from mathametician Kurt Gödel. What was the present? A detailed explanation of a logical contradiction in Einstein's general theory of relativity, basically saying that Einstein's theory itself proved that time doesn't exist. Yay! Happy Birthday! I'm happy if I can count the candles on the cake correctly.
From Wikipedia:
In 1949, he demonstrated the existence of solutions involving closed timelike curves, to Einstein's field equations in general relativity.[22] He is said to have given this elaboration to Einstein as a present for his 70th birthday.[23] His "rotating universes" would allow time travel to the past and caused Einstein to have doubts about his own theory. His solutions are known as the Gödel metric (an exact solution of the Einstein field equation).
by das monde on Fri Sep 29th, 2017 at 03:46:17 AM EST
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What I would say is that no organization built around a creative craft should aspire to fully controlling and understanding all it's internal processes... that it [!] can be self-aware but at some point there is a ceiling [!] beyond which greater control [!] and greater self-awareness is impossible.

capitulation to the apotheosis of oneself disappearing up one's ass.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Sep 29th, 2017 at 06:08:08 PM EST
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The Forward
Years ago, the Forward wrote about the growing trend for caffeine suppositories among the devout to help get them through a day of fasting and praying, without even having to break their caffeine habit.

Since then, the trend has exploded, infiltrating every pharmacy with a sizeable Jewish (usually Orthodox) population. Before Yom Kippur, as a part of their preparation for the holy day, Jews go to their local drugstore to pick up a supply of the rectal pill, which needs to be stored in the refrigerator.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 28th, 2017 at 01:24:50 PM EST
some things are just so ridiculous they have to be true

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 28th, 2017 at 01:35:13 PM EST
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Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism -- NY Times
This generational divide between daughters and mothers who reached adulthood on either side of 1989 supports the idea that women had more fulfilling lives during the Communist era. And they owed this quality of life, in part, to the fact that these regimes saw women's emancipation as central to advanced "scientific socialist" societies, as they saw themselves.
With a NSFW study from East Germany linked (video).
by das monde on Fri Sep 29th, 2017 at 03:37:30 AM EST
by das monde on Fri Sep 29th, 2017 at 03:39:33 AM EST
Become Human, a new video game developed by French firm Quantic Dream and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

archived: just checking!

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Sep 29th, 2017 at 06:16:43 PM EST
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Advertising for a game.

A publicity stunt featuring a girl impersonating an android was apparently so real it duped thousands into believing she was a genuine robot.

The credulity these days wrt Artificial Intelligence and Robotics is dismaying.  The most advanced robot we have is either Handle from Boston Dynamics:

or  Team KAIST's  DRC-Hubo:

depending on the criteria one chooses to apply.

Note:  DRC-Hubo is not preforming the actions using it's own real time situation/response cognitive ability.  It is totally under control of an engineering team off-camera.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:28:08 AM EST
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I just a new 50 cent Vatican coin. At first glance, I though I had been lucky and got one of those rare "Sede vacante" ones. Then I noticed the 2017 data, and figured out that even if they knew something we don't, they wouldn't be telling us.

The interesting thing is that the coin does not appear on the ECBs page. After wondering if the Vatican had moved from money laundering to actual forgery, I discoved a page on the Vatican's website with details (but no images) of the new coins: the entire range of coins has replaced the picture of the Pope with his coat of arms. I've no idea why, but maybe the British can adopt the idea to spare us having coins with King Charles.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Oct 1st, 2017 at 06:14:43 PM EST
The following appeared on Swissinfo a few days ago

A few days later, La Repubblica reports:

Per mezzo secolo ha preso il treno con il biglietto acquistato nel 1967 e più volte timbrato. Giunto in vecchiaia, preso dai rimorsi, scrive all'Ente per saldare il dovuto. Ma la storia commuove la società, che lo perdona
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2017 at 06:32:49 AM EST
In the news today:

2 women stabbed to death in front of the St Charles train station in Marseille, France. Perp is an Arab Muslim man: "terrorism" all over the headlines. No change to Google.fr home page.

5 people, including 4 young children, of Turkisk origin killed in the fire of their apartment in Mulhouse, France. First investigations lead to "probable arson". Perp unknown! some coverage in French & Turkish media and close to none elsewhere.

58 people (and counting) killed by a gunman in Las Vegas, Nevada. Perp is a white male: Google.com home page added a black ribbon; "tragedy" all over the headlines, but no mention of the T-word, save for IS claim.

by Bernard on Mon Oct 2nd, 2017 at 06:46:13 PM EST
Actually, some papers did use the T-word, pointing out that under Nevada law it actually is terrorism, whatever Federal law says.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2017 at 07:30:45 PM EST
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but no mention of the T-word

But this is good. After a few more non-T Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, we'll just shrug when we hear about another Muslim terrorist, but will start being really worried if he might be an American accountant.

Incidentally, there might be a rather different attitude in India. A few years ago, the Naxalites actually got some press outside India when they kidnapped an Italian tourist guide. One Indian paper (sorry, no  link any more) talked about whether the Naxalites were becoming terrorists, which suggested that for them terrorists were ones that attacked foreigners, as opposed to Indians.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2017 at 03:33:40 PM EST
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This morning on radio WPYR, the host interviews an atty to discuss terminology: How does legal definition of "terrorist" differ from phenomenological definition of "terrorist"?

Scale of violent effect is somewhat disputed as the number of victims ranges 4 - current "worst massacre in US history".

The guest is advancing the position that, in application, the former strictly identifies foreign-born perpetrators' motives' determined by ideology; the latter identifies all acts motivated by the perp's intention to effect terror.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Oct 3rd, 2017 at 04:38:16 PM EST
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There were about 150 dead in the 19th century Colfax massacre. So either they don't count because most of the victims were black, or they mean something like "worst massacre by a single perpetrator".
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2017 at 04:44:05 PM EST
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300 dead in the Tulsa Oklahoma race riot.

Tulsa race riot

But them was Negros so it doesn't count.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Oct 3rd, 2017 at 07:06:52 PM EST
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Wounded Knee, 350 dead.
Don't they count?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Oct 10th, 2017 at 01:14:16 AM EST
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You left out: three killed in Lawrence, Kansas. Was there any coverage anywhere outside Kansas?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Oct 4th, 2017 at 08:56:51 AM EST
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Hadn't reached the European shores, in any case...
by Bernard on Wed Oct 4th, 2017 at 09:29:46 AM EST
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Here is everything you missed (over 180 mass shootings in California alone in the past 4 years).
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Oct 4th, 2017 at 09:39:52 AM EST
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According to Der Postillon, Germans have stopped work today in solidarity with Catalonia. The Austrians have not.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2017 at 10:28:09 AM EST
Der Postillon versions, too. Today's top story for English-speakers is Coping with Parkinsons, leading "Bone find proves early man lived horizontally beneath the earth."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Oct 3rd, 2017 at 04:44:56 PM EST
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