Tin Foil Hats on 9/11? (x-posted at Boo) | 43 comments (43 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Tin Foil Hats on 9/11? (x-posted at Boo) (none / 0)

So there have been countless engineering studies of what happened, and one nutcase comes up with a counter theory and that's the one you're going to go with? Might as well get out your tin foil hat right now, because there are lots of other "uneplainable" things out there. Perhaps a trip to Roswell should be next on the agenda...

by asdf on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 06:22:22 PM EST

Re: Tin Foil Hats on 9/11? (x-posted at Boo) (none / 0)

No, no. I never said that I was going with it - read the first sentence of my diary. That is the reason I threw this out there, to see if this could be debunked. As I said, I am very sceptical of conspiracy theories. Nevertheless, this will be published in a peer-reviewed journal, and as an academic (in the humanities), being published is a big deal to one's career. I can't see an academic throwing his reputation away on a tin foil hat theory. So I was curious about this and hoped people who knew far more than I did would chime in.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 06:34:43 PM EST
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I suggest this as a starting point for further relevant academic research: http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

by asdf on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 07:20:20 PM EST
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asdf (none / 0)

thank you

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 07:42:57 PM EST
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ok, got the joke after I checked the link. You got me.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 07:44:21 PM EST
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Ok asdf, let's just say you were at a conference. How would you debunk this position set forth by this prof, tearing his arguments and claims apart? Other than sending your colleagues to a wacko web site, how would you argue against the points that he made? Just curious as a moderator between his arguments and yours, because you haven't sent forth your own arguments other than opinionated pooh-poohing of the argument in general? That will not fly at any university, no matter how far out the proposing theory really is. I'm just curious because the jury is out for me, I'm just looking for a good argument one way or the other. So far the conspiracist uses some convincing laws of physicsto support his argument and you refer to some tin-foil hat experiment at MIT.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 08:02:09 PM EST
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You are aware, JD, that recently someone posted a diary on DKos saying "let's kick this 9/11 conspiracy theory aruond a bit" and got such a beating in the comments that (s)he deleted their original diary and posted anotehr one apologizing for the first one.

Physics, you say?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 08:06:30 PM EST
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I tried to state that I do not subscibe to such theories, I still do not. Nevertheless, I tried to moderate this one argument in the hopes that someone could discredit the arguments set forth. Unfortunately, some believe that I am spewing this theory forth, which I am not. I was just curious as to the arguments for and against and if anyone would have an intelligent stand pro or con as this individual put forth an outlandish theory but backed it up with science. This is what made it unusual, especially if it is to be presented in a peer-reviewed journal. In my field, which is dog-eat-dog, you better be able to back up your arguments, so his actually surprised me. So easy to be misunderstood on the internet.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 08:26:22 PM EST
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See? You're beginning to apologize just in the same way as the unfortunate DKos diarist felt compelled to (they didn't subscribe to the theory either).

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 08:40:08 PM EST
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Definately not apologizing for my diary, just trying to moderate opposing views. Like I said, you got me thinking - which is a good thing for me.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 09:01:50 PM EST
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I'm just being facetious to prod you a little. I apologize.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 09:04:08 PM EST
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No need to apologize, I didn't see it that way at all. Others won't add anything substantial to debunk the theory. Still hoping though, I love controversy! As long as it's given in a reasoned argument, I've studied too much Kant and Hegel to settle for less.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 09:09:31 PM EST
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Here's what the civil engineers said. Of course any conspiracy theorist worth his salt will say that since the report was sponsored by FEMA, it's bogus...
http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm

by asdf on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 10:12:11 PM EST
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Thanks! Valuable information indeed. This was very helpful in understanding the sequence of events prior to the collapse of the two towers.

Bitsofnews.com Giving you the latest bits.

by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 11:31:54 PM EST
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Perhaps a trip to Roswell should be next on the agenda...

asdf- I live on the Front Range too, where should we meet? ;-)

by US Blues on Sun Nov 13th, 2005 at 10:01:39 AM EST
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