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All I am going to say about ths is that a 100+ storey steel-frame building in Madrid recently burned like a torch for about 18 hours and did not collapse. See the pictures here.

Unlike the Windsor building, the WTC towers were neve actually engulfed by flames and firefighters were able to make their way to the affected floors (in Madrid thwy pretty much to give up and the building had to be demolished after the fire died out).

Draw your own conclusions.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 05:28:02 PM EST
you are really putting a damper on my scepticism!

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 05:29:52 PM EST
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How about this? You would expect a forensic investigation of the WTC collapses. However, the debris was swiftly trucked away and the steel fragments sold to China as scrap metal.

I repeat: there was no forensic investigation of the largest peace-time mass murder of American citizens on American soil.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 06:18:25 PM EST
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Actually, 100+ metre, 32 storey. More comparable to WTC 7 than to the twin towers.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 12th, 2005 at 07:48:12 PM EST
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The rest is just corroborating evidence.  

There is really no doubt at all.  

The "conspiracy" does not have to be that large.  A single commando team, doing the work ahead of time.  Plus a few--just a few--high-level officials to give them access.  

Of course such a team would have to be crazy--virtual psychopaths . . . Not a counter argument:  It merely moves Bush and Cheney up on the list of suspects.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Sun Nov 13th, 2005 at 08:32:10 PM EST
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WTC #1 and #2 were reportedly shut down the weekend of September 8-9 for "maintenance". Is 48 hours enough for a commando team to lace the elevator shafts with explosives?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 14th, 2005 at 06:38:04 AM EST
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Were they really?  Are there reports?  I would welcome them if you still have them.  

Forty-eight hours is more than enough.  

Wish there had been a forensic investigation.  

But given what we already know--as opposed to what we guess--it is apparent why there wasn't one.  

It still puzzles me that people aren't bothered by the lack of an investigation.  

Thinking further, the elevator core seems the right way to do it:  Start the collapse in the core to make the debris fall inward and pull the outer-wall support members in after.  The central collapse has to stay just ahead of the collapse of the outer columns and skin.  

Explosives in the elevator core would explain the great fireball in the elevator shaft that spread across the first floor, which at the time was attributed to burning jet fuel.  (I forget which tower this was.)  The problem with the jet fuel proposal is that--while it cannot be dismissed outright--it does require a lot of fuel to quit moving forward and stop dead, get funneled into the elevator shaft, and then fall down all 70 or 80 floors--in fine burning droplets that aren't too fine to make it down all the way down.  Not sure it's impossible, but if 9/11 really was done as a demolition using the elevator shaft, the fire-ball is straightforward and obvious.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 03:24:39 AM EST
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The story is 18 months old, and I was quoting from memory. A cursory search reveals that this is classified as a hoax by 911review.com.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 04:12:01 AM EST
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