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Good comments from both of you, I only add a few things.

Deep down, the ordinary Frenchman doesn't believe that Turks, or Eastern Europeans for that matter, cherish the values he holds most dear.

Wellthankyou. The article was full of nationalistic elements and sweeping generalisations (the latter ironically reminding me of Thomas "FlatEarther" Friedman's taxi driver stories), but this projection made my day.

I looked up who the author is. Claire Berlinski is a soft version of Ann Coulter: a conservative American who also lived in Britain, France and East Asia, and who has written to the Weekly Standard (the neocon flagship), and the National Review (until recently paleocon hard-right), plus Manager Magazine.

In short, no surprise at all...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jul 10th, 2005 at 12:28:58 PM EST
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I was going to react to the article as well, as it is full of contradictions and wishful thinking.

The French are right to defend their national model because that's where real sovereignty and democracy is, but at the same time their model is fucked up and they need a serious wake up call from being coddled and over protected... Right.

This is a case of a right wing anglo euroskeptic (what's the right spelling of that word, btw?!) writer whose racism (Turks are poor and messy) overwhelms the desire to smack the French for being obsolete... Strange bedfellows.

Anyway, i recommended the diary because we should keep on discussing this topic, but I strongly disagree with the idea that Turkish membership will start a wave of immigration to rich Europe (I agree that the fear exists, and that politicians play that card a lot, but I think it is utterly false). Again:

  • the Turks are already here in Europe;
  • the experience of previous enlargements, especially Spain and Portugal, shows that it triggers migrations the other way round as people go back to take advantage of the opportunities in their home country;
  • quite simply, we are very likely to need them to stave off population decline in countries like Germany.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 10th, 2005 at 01:57:44 PM EST
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quite simply, we are very likely to need them to stave off population decline in countries like Germany.

A need, as you probably remember, I don't believe in :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jul 10th, 2005 at 02:19:20 PM EST
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euroskeptic (what's the right spelling of that word, btw?!)

If you're American it's with the "k", if you're British it's with the "c".

Pax

Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian

by soj on Sun Jul 10th, 2005 at 03:17:24 PM EST
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I looked up who the author is. Claire Berlinski is a soft version of Ann Coulter: a conservative American who also lived in Britain, France and East Asia, and who has written to the Weekly Standard (the neocon flagship), and the National Review (until recently paleocon hard-right), plus Manager Magazine.

Ugh...good catch on this...a neo-con saying something on behalf of the French?!?! Uh, yea...

Be careful about who you choose use as resources on your opinion pieces.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Sun Jul 10th, 2005 at 03:44:35 PM EST
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