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Saying that Gipsies and homosexuals were slaughtered by the nazis does not reduce in anyway the massacre of the jews.

Saying that the holocaust is no worse than the many massacres of other ethnicities or people that have taken place throughout history does attempt to reduce it as a more banal and/or mundane act of war, which it (and the parallel murder of gypsies and homosexuals) is not.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 12:05:41 PM EST
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I have been to the Holocaust museum in Jerusalem. Alongside with the remembrance of the 6 million who died, there is not even a footnote about the 2 million others who also died in the same fashion in the same locations.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 12:12:41 PM EST
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That's an unpleasant piece of news, I must admit.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 05:36:56 PM EST
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Well my only point is - criticism of the State of Israel and it's policies should be debatable without being tagged anti-semitic. Period. I am, frankly, sick of it. Sick of being attacked for being something I am not.

Most of the world cheered in 1992 to 'celebrate' the beginning of the demise of Europe's rape of the Americas and systematic genocide of its people.

We had to watch 'specials' on TV.

Can you imagine that with the holocaust?

The irony is - Columbus was not the first - the Vikings were or maybe even the Chinese.

So let's segue into another subject. And see if I get labelled again.

From Daily Kos.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/19/114321/175#16

Hard to believe, but the Jerusalem Post is reporting that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) are ready to attack Iran's nuclear facilities:

    IAF [i.e., Israeli Air Force] pilots have completed their mission training and fighter jets have been prepared for an Israeli attack on Iran, the British Sunday Times reported.

More after the fold . . .

    * Steven D's diary :: ::
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    The article reported that "the elite 69 strategic F-15 I squadron" had been equipped with weapons that will be tested in combat for the first time, and that two missile submarines were on standby: one in the Persian Gulf and the second in Haifa Bay.

    The Times also said that special IDF forces would be helicoptered into Iran to take out targets that could not be destroyed in an air strike. [...]

    Col. [res] Ze'ev Raz, the former IAF pilot who led the Osirak mission, was quoted by the Times as saying, "What we now have is a lot of targets, which makes the operation much more difficult."

    Raz believes an aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities is possible. There are many things that the IAF has done over the past few years that the public is not aware of, and it has made many important advances in mid-air refueling. Israel can strike the Iranian nuclear program, Raz said on Israel's Channel 1 TV's Politika program last week.

Here's the link to the Sunday Times article cited by the Jerusalem Post's story.   Here's what the Sunday Times' report has to say about Israel's readiness to proceed with this attack:

    Before the massive stroke that left him in a coma, Sharon had declared: "Israel will not accept a nuclear weapon equipped Iran." He had quietly ordered the Israeli Defence Forces to be ready to launch airstrikes against nuclear sites in the Islamic republic if necessary.

    "The whole issue is now with the Americans," said an Israeli defence source. "Once we get the green light, we're ready." [...]

    Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of the right-wing Likud party, has backed the destruction of Iranian nuclear facilities, although Olmert's Kadima party looks the more likely election winner.

    At the Hatzerim air base on the edge of the Negev desert, the elite 69 strategic F-15 I squadron is ready to attack. Months of preparations have been completed and the young pilots have finished training for the long-haul flights that will be necessary to reach Iran and back without refuelling.



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by ghandi (expatforums@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 12:26:03 PM EST
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Very good point. Suggested slogan:

The biggest insult to the victims of the Holocaust is to equate criticism of Israel's policies with anti-semitism.

On a similar note: When Sweden was a great power in the 17th century our wars caused the deaths of millions of Poles and Germans. Guess if that period still gets praise in our national anthem?

by Johannes on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 12:46:28 PM EST
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ghandi, I entirely agree that no one should be called antisemitic for criticizing Israel. If that were so, I'd be an antisemite.

Next, as to American/Israeli intentions re Iran, I also agree with you. I'm very much afraid there'll be an attack. I'm opposed to that. I'm opposed to the entire neocon/US imperialist scheme for the Middle East.

What I don't get is why you say you're tired of being tagged antisemite. "Let's see if I get labelled again". I'm only a user here, like you, and there are things I may have missed. Has this happened to you here?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 01:54:55 PM EST
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Why?

Because I have been posting a long time.

I own and run a forum for expatriates that predates this commmuntiy by years. expatforums.org EST 2002

So I am, frankly, tired of chasing the same tail over and over and over again.

But this is the Net and that is the way. CTRL C leads to CTRL V.

Atlantic Free Press

by ghandi (expatforums@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 04:20:29 PM EST
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Over here, it's more Apple C and Apple V...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 05:38:01 PM EST
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Fucking right.  Cast aside thy Ctrl key, ghandi!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 06:38:16 PM EST
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actually I double click on your address to mark it and then I drag it onto  my tabfield and voila, an new tab opens in the background, I can write this comment, while the side loads in the background, ready for me, when I finish posting...
by PeWi on Thu Jan 19th, 2006 at 08:49:14 PM EST
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Not in my world.

Sure I use Firefox.

But, to be frank, anybody working in intelligence who uses MAC is nuts.

Period. If only for the fact that half the software needed does not run on Mac machines.

That's clear knowledge for anyone in the biz'.

Atlantic Free Press

by ghandi (expatforums@gmail.com) on Fri Jan 20th, 2006 at 10:45:15 AM EST
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sorry, but that is just plain wrong, 99.5% of all software that is written for any form of dos runs on any! Apple MAC.
Get your facts straight, please!

You apparently have not heard of Virtual PC?
 notice this is a Microsoft page

while this is the apple page

or have a look at all the Operating systems that you can run on a Mac, with virtual PC.

just about 1000. Operating systems that is, not just programms.

So, please inform all those knowledgeable people in the biz, rather than further spouting your half-information.

Sorry for being so forceful about this, but this is actually my standard reply to Windows users, that realise their only defence is the rehashing of this single issue talkingpoint.

by PeWi on Fri Jan 20th, 2006 at 08:55:40 PM EST
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