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I think you hit it on the head: what seems to frighten us the most about the Holocaust was that it happened in 20th Century Europe, righ under our modern noses.
Says more about how much we overestimate our supposed civility than the uniqueness of the Holocaust, I think. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
Do you mean the Napoleonic Wars? Methinks those were less terrible even compared to WWI. Same for the Seven Years' War. You'd have to go back to the Thirty Years' War. And that indeed is a good comparison: it brought a lot of changes. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
However, the Thirty Years' War comparison might still be worth to expound on. That war faced up Christian Europe with the ugliness of romanticised feudal wars and heroised religious wars. In this case, the source of ignorance was not so much the distance of colonies, but (a) the small circle of effect of previous wars and (b) the effectiveness of victors' writing of history. But the Thirty Years' War laid waste to a very large area, included even more countries among the warring parties, and ended in a stalemate. The results included the appearance of rules of war, the rise of diplomacy, the final break of the unity of the Church, thus the spread of secularism, and the rise of the Enlightement. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Between over 100,000 dead Iraqis and six million dead Jews?
Time? Body Count?
Where do you draw the border? Millions of dead Jews are more legitimate than millions of dead Native Americans? Because of time?
Why do MY people and MY history have to be buried?
Because of... time?
The Normans killed the Saxons and the who killed the Picts in return for killing the Celts. Atlantic Free Press
In fact, we were speaking about the very same hypocrisy you protest against. Please read it back.
The Normans killed the Saxons and the who killed the Picts in return for killing the Celts.
Well, neither of those were genocides (nowhere near what was done to Native Americans), as today's English people's DNA shows. But even if true, the modern Western sense of 'civilisation' is of something after the Dark Ages, thus yes time is a factor. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Where do you draw the line? Does the sentence "What's the difference between three thousand dead New Yorkers and millions of dead Native Americans" strike you as a reasonable statement? If not then again I ask, where should the line be drawn?
You might also notice that I explicitly included the extermination of Native Americans as one of those cases where one can sensibly argue that they are comparable to the Shoah. At the same time the two events played out in a very different manner so one can compare and contrast away. For example, the Native Americans were subject to a centuries long persecution that was much more intense than that suffered by the European Jews prior to the Nazis. Another example - there was no concerted, all encompassing period of extermination of Native Americans comparable to what happened to the Jews in 1941-5.
(A couple commenters seem to have a problem with my use of the term 'Holocaust' in its common colloquial sense of the extermination of European Jews by the Nazis, perhaps a substitution of the term 'Shoah' will placate them)
That's hardly the point.
The point is that they are all legitimate, all horrid, and no one group of victims can, or should want to, claim some title of "worst genocide ever." Although I imagine that many FEEL that their situation was worst. And feeling that is ok; it is expected. But asking others to feel that way too is NOT ok.
This shouldn't some kind of contest where the winner of the most exceptional genocide award gets the most exceptional treatment. How offensive.
It's history, it's life, it's about gaining understanding and receiving acknowledgement and allowing everyone's story to be told (er, not here on ET, of course. Not enough room. But you get the picture). Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
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