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Jerome - you are being far to kind.

It's hard to admit that you're no longer the good guys, and that you were swindled

The American people were not swindled. There is a long history of supporting wars of aggression (Vietnam, Philippines, Cuba) as long as the US is winning.

The American people wanted to be swindled. They were willing victims of a country that has repeatedly overthrown country after country (let alone democracy after democracy) in the name of democracy.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice - its that evil bushes fault. Fool me - what is it now? - 20 times? 30 times?

Swindled - na. How about willing participants?

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 09:40:10 AM EST
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You seem to forget that I am anti-American. Your comment makes you ... what? I don't even wnat to know.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 10:06:17 AM EST
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Hey, America is a messianic, militaristic nation. The 2004 Democratic Convention showed me that it would take more than Bush the Lesser to change that.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 10:12:23 AM EST
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As long as one is going for bad times in the Democratic party, one could do worse than the 1964 Democratic convention.

Oh - am actually a duel citizen. My parents left during the Vietnam War. My father is a draft resister from Korea. He used his professional skills to arranged to be diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 12:08:07 PM EST
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that's unkind. I'd agree that there is a huge disconnection between American public's view of the disinterested benevolence of its activities and the actual motivations of those who set policy.

AS George H Bush found out in Dubai, even those who are considered to be "beneficiaries" of the system understand that policy is enacted to benefit american corporates, which are beholden to none in their rapacious greed.

The result is that all activities are sold to the american public as being pro-democratic, and with the US msm in its current state how could anyone know differently, whilst every time the affected country suffers. It was Truman who said of the original Samoza in Nicaragua, "he may be a bastard, but he's ourt bastard". This cynicism suggests that US policy is to let their bastards do what they want domestically, so long as the corporates get to come in and pick the bones clean.

And btw I consider myself a true friend of America, one prepared to be honest and criticise.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 10:17:49 AM EST
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... some americans would say detached :)

Actually most americans just do nto care.. they are not willingful anything.

If you are not in the game.. you are not in the game.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 11:19:37 AM EST
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Someone has to make you look like the voice of moderation.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 12:26:53 PM EST
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I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Nov 25th, 2006 at 11:50:46 AM EST
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A majority--at least a bare majority--of Americans do believe that torturing children for their lunch money is too extreme.  

They really were conned about that.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Mon Nov 27th, 2006 at 04:08:40 PM EST
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