Relationship killers or Why doesn't anybody stay together anymore | 32 comments (32 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: How did we ever come so far ? (none / 0)

I say that in comparison with the pale winter's emotions of a male, I have learnt that these emotions, for both good and ill, are what make us human

This almost sounds like "males lack what makes us human".

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 10:31:06 AM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (none / 0)

well I know quite a few women who consider males to be subhuman ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 11:15:31 AM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (none / 1)

and a few women who would give anything to have been born a man and consider women are subhuman ;-))

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 02:42:11 PM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (4.00 / 2)

Christ Miguel !! I start off by saying that I'm awkward at this sort of thing and then you f*ck me over for not quite expressing it in a perfectly agreeable way.

give us a break !!

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 11:43:56 AM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (none / 1)

Have you never noted how Migu's ears are pointed ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 12:44:03 PM EST
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Re: no cause for worry (none / 0)

Migeru, how come someone so truly valuable as you are sometimes comes up as so unduly lacking self-confidence ?

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 02:40:48 PM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (4.00 / 3)

Now I've calmed down I can respond more temperately.

The dominant phrase in that sentence, ie the one with the verb is "I have learnt....". That's me doing the learning.

It was an amazing revelation to me to experience the depth of emotions, to bathe in them as I did. I've explained previously the differences in how I perceived emotion twixt male and female,
http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/7/17/74110/4055
but perhaps I didn't emphasize the extent to which it validated my sense of developing femininity. However much I was overwhelmed by the waves of emotional feeling, I was ewxcited and grateful for it.

So it is only natural that, having come from an unwanted masculinity to a much desired femininity, I should extol the virtues of my new internal environment.

I did not mean to say men don't have emotions, nor to suggest that men are less than human, and believe me I have heard and seen enough anti-male prejudice from women to believe it is strong undercurrent of the female culture, but I have never been a party to it. Indeed I am horrified that my poor phrasing, structured more in support of Agnes than any other consideration, should have been taken as to suggest such an abhorrent thought. I am genuinely hurt by your suggestion that I might believe such a thing.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:15:09 PM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (4.00 / 3)

Helen, once again, if you allow me, I think both Migeru and ceebs were having a good snark, and nothing is to be taken seriously. I know by hard learnt experience that one sometimes reacts in a genuine, emotional way to a comment that was ironical but meant no harm. In French we call it "second degre".
I do understand how you may have felt, as I tend to take things much to heart myself.
See Sven's comment.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:35:58 PM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (4.00 / 3)

I can only appologise for myself, at times I can be an excessively piss taking bastard, and at the moment am feeling guilty and a little insensitive. My only excuse is that I spent much of the morning dealing with some rather extreme femenists, and so had my respect for other peoples feelings dialed right back after that sesion, and unfortunately people around me occasionally catch the edge of my sense of humour, I should probably stay away from the internet in cases like that.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 04:10:36 PM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (none / 0)

Myself, I hate men at this very moment.
Still cannot shake the feelings of anger, betrayal, and having been used, by someone who didn't know better than telling me "I know you are in trouble, but I need some space right now and you're getting on my nerves". Is someone like that to be labelled a friend ? Bollocks to him.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:43:49 PM EST
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Re: How did we ever come so far ? (4.00 / 4)

Godz, I always thought people were joking when they said "A friend in need....is a pain in the arse". That's shocking, no he is not a friend, he was never a friend.

Paint his name on a plate and smash it, think of him no more. I am so sorry, I hope these mean tides ebb soon.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:50:13 PM EST
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Re: thank you! (none / 1)

The problem is that I blame myself, I might have been too demanding, after all, he was busy with his new girlfriend and his PhD.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 03:53:12 PM EST
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Re: thank you! (none / 0)

No, don't blame yourself. You're his friend and he yours. Friends should be able to call for help. Not exclusively, you can't intrude on a relationship, nor too much on work, but need should be honoured.

Smash the plate and walk away. In this guys are better, they get piseed, wake up feeling bad and then forget...everything and move on. I don't know about girls yet, chocolate and red wine ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 04:03:54 PM EST
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Re: thank you! (none / 1)

I am not that into chocolate. My trick is an at least 5 miles swim and sleeping over it which is a good alternative to sending 10 texts in a row to say how little I think of him/her ; I now manage to store the texts without sending them ;-)
My female mates do the Haagen Dazs/ Ben& Jerry's pint binge a lot, though.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 04:36:53 PM EST
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Re: thank you! (4.00 / 2)

Yea, repeatedly sending texts to say how little you care is one of those mixed messages.

I'd avoid that if I were you.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 04:59:04 PM EST
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FIVE miles?! (none / 0)

My trick is an at least 5 miles swim

For real?!

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 03:47:02 AM EST
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Re: for real (none / 0)

I do at least 7 hours sports a week.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 04:50:38 AM EST
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Re: for real (none / 0)

But FIVE miles! In one shot? If so, you are my new hero! (I have to admit: If I swam 5 miles -- and did not die from it -- I would be too exhausted to feel down myself.)

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 05:30:58 AM EST
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