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It looks like we are three countries so far, all in southern Europe and all using religious dates as national holidays.  Does that tell us something?  (I wonder how it is in Greece.  Deviousdiva?)

I am all for 3-4 day weekends a couple times a year because I don´t want to see a productivity-based life, but this case is really extreme just before the holidays.  Besides mixing church and state, in Spain, a bridge weekend becomes a car-based problem:  Traffic congestion on both trips, deaths and injuries by accident and extra pollution.

What do you think?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 03:34:46 PM EST
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While there are no one-day-separated holidays here, it is standard that when a holiday is on a Tuesday or Thursday, we have "long weekends", and one Saturday before or after is converted to workday. (For schools too.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 04:17:48 PM EST
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Does Hungary have religious holidays as national holidays?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 09:07:11 AM EST
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Of course. Christmas (25th and 26th), Easter Monday even under 'communism', Pentecost was added after 1990, and Allsaints more recently. Of these, all but Pentecost have been rather thoroughly secularised (re-paganised?) in its traditions, while the non-traditional-Christian majority just takes the day off on Pentecost.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 04:54:55 PM EST
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That´s nothing, DoDo.  Besides those we have Santiago on July 25, Carmen, Almudena in Madrid, Corpus Christi in May?, Pillar on Oct. 12....

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 07:23:02 PM EST
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THat many? How many national holidays and of these how many religious holidays total? When Allsaints was made a holiday here, there was a notion of too many holidays -- and it made it to ten days altogether (half of it religious).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 07:35:00 PM EST
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BTW, I must admit I don't know what any of those signify. (And only recently learnt what Pentecost and Allsaints signify.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 07:36:46 PM EST
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Since you "made me" look it up, these are all holidays in the CITY of Madrid, not counting bridges for 2006:

NATIONAL:
1 Enero:  New Year´s.
14 de Abril, holy friday...Viernes Santo
1 de Mayo, Labor Day, Fiesta del Trabajo
15 de Agosto, Asumption of the virgen, Asunción de la Virgen
12 de Octubre, Nation Day,Fiesta Nacional de España
1 de Noviembre, All Saints,Todos los Santos followed by All Dead??? on Nov. 2.
6 de Diciembre, Constitution Day, Día de la Constitución Española
8 de Diciembre, Immaculate Day, La Inmaculada Concepción
25 de Diciembre, Xmas, Natividad del Señor

NOT SUBSTITUTED: Fiestas nacionales que la Comunidad
Autónoma no ha ejercido la facultad de sustitución:
6 de Enero, Epiphany, 3 WISE MEN bring gifts, Epifanía del Señor
19 March saint Joseph.
20 de Marzo, Monday following the 19th, Lunes siguiente a San José
13 de Abril, holy thursday!!!! Jueves Santo

PROVINCE HOLIDAYS: Fiesta de la Comunidad Autónoma:
2 de Mayo, Community Day, Fiesta de la Comunidad

LOCAL HOLIDAYS: Fiestas locales de la capital de la provincia: Madrid:
15 de Mayo, San Isidro???
9 de Noviembre, Our lady of, Ntra.Sra. de la Almudena

Sorry you don´t work here?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 01:54:50 PM EST
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Italy -

National Holidays

1st January NEW YEAR'S DAY

6th January EPIPHANY

17th April  EASTER MONDAY (we go into the countryside to have picnics - kind of spring festival?.. and oddly enough, Easter Friday is NOT a holiday here.. go figure?)

25th April LIBERATION DAY (WW2)

1st May LABOUR DAY

2nd June ITALIAN REPUBLIC DAY (big military parade - but refers back to kicking out the Savoy monarchy by referendum!)

15th August  ASSUMPTION (When Mary was taken up to heaven...)

1st November ALL SAINTS

8th December IMMACULATE CONCEPTION

25th December CHRISTMAS

26th December St. STEPHEN (Boxing day)

...

Plus of course the local patron saint's day - Rome's is St. Peter and Paul, where I live it's St. Pancras Martyr (?)

So we have 11 national + 1 local = 12...

...whereas you have 9 national, 4 "not substituted" whatever that means but I presume still extant ;-) ...
plus 1 provincial and 2 local =  14...!!

(envy)

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami

by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 02:27:45 PM EST
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Actually, your sum would be 16, and you forgot about All Souls' Day (Day of the Dead), so 17! Regarding non-substituted, I am surprised myself that I could read that Spanish sentence, but it appears to mean facultative national holidays that the province has not chosen to replace with a different holiday on another day.

I never heard of local holidays before, BTW. Though, another peculiarity is in Germany, where some holidays are valid only for Protestants or Catholics (leading to the sillyness of school going on with half the class present).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 07:34:07 PM EST
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So 17 days total, respect!

What I found surprising is that Easter and cemetery visits get two days off, Christmas only one. Is there some special reason behind this?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 07:24:23 PM EST
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In Italy we get two off for Christmas - Christmas Day and Santo Stefano (boxing day) on the 26th.  But it's really 2 1/2 because everything -offices, shops etc etc -shuts down several hours early on Christmas Eve.

Plus of course half the country takes a few days' vacation leave from their annual total to make up the BIG ponte/puente from the 24th through New Year.  This year both the 24th and the 31st are Sundays, meaning that if you don't normally have to work saturdays, it will take only 3 days' vacation leave to get a straight 10-day stretch off work... not bad.    

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami

by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Sat Dec 9th, 2006 at 08:47:11 PM EST
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I'd say calling it a "car-based problem" goes to the heart of it!  Soooo...... speaking strictly from an Italian-history-n'-politics viewpoint, I'd say what's wrong with preserving the saints'-days with relative processions/whatever ... means extra personal/human living-time as opposed to bossman's/caesar's worktime -and communal fiestas-of-whatsoever-origin - everything from Viterbo's machine-of-St-Rosa to Siena's Palio - are great collective fun to organise, also get kids into the act feeling they're truly "part of the community" and, in their odd archaic little way, also help people to keep on thinking/feeling in a "community=cooperation=working together NOT for pay =collective creativity" way (yeah I'm ducking under the table as I say this as I can see a furious barrage of objection-brickbats coming!!...;-) )

To solve the cars-problem: so how about we treat it AS SUCH, OK? Why the HECK can't we get/suggest that our local admins. add on extra regional trains for "bridges", ditto special buses to the nearby resort zones (beaches, hill-towns...) all with some kind of festive local tour/food-sampling included in the price!!!???  

Drat it!! - so instead of complaining that saints/fiestas are fostering pollutio, why the heck can't/shouldn't we use these occasions to PROMOTE THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORT - as the "in" way to go where we want to go "en masse" - say using trains/buses instead of cooping ourselves up in energy-wasteful, socially-alienating little private mobile compartments helps us socialize, festivize, enriches our life-experience instead of impoverishing and alienating it plus making the air stink and wrecking our balance of payments????

So in other words, why not make our lovely "bridges" a more "progressive" occasion"???

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami

by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 05:16:11 PM EST
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why the heck can't/shouldn't we use these occasions to PROMOTE THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORT - as the "in" way to go where we want to go "en masse" - say using trains/buses

Yea!

Take the Alaris to Valencia! Or the Talgo to Málaga! Or, in a few years,  the AVE to both and other destinations!

(You knew I'd say that ;-))

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Dec 7th, 2006 at 05:35:29 PM EST
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I can tell you that traffic was horrible on Lisbons exits last night, and yes, it is a "car based problem". So much that the police traffic brigade almost always has extra measures prepared for such occasions.

A suggestion to end bridges was made some time ago, by deslocation the day off from the official day to the next friday or previous monday. As a sort of compensation it was also suggested that when such days happen on a weekend they could be dilocated for friday or monday, also.

This turned out to be unpopular, especially because of religious holidays. I guess people don't care of they celebrate the Republic on the 6th of october instead of the 5th. But Xmas on the 26 or Mardi Gras on a monday? Not so cool...

by Torres on Fri Dec 8th, 2006 at 09:55:09 AM EST
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