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Nice graphs and trying to get me to talk about America again, folks.  But seriously, what do you think Europe is, essentially?

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:15:36 AM EST
Oh, so you are an essentialist? Why don't you join DoDo and me over in this other thread?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:17:29 AM EST
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I don't think I'm any anything-ist.

I think you are reading much too much agenda into my piece.  I tried to use satire to address what I saw as an opportunity to ask a question, a question a lot of people are going to be asking.  What does "Europe" signify for us today?  I was wanting your subjective take on the matter is all.  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:34:41 AM EST
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I think he's being funny. In his own inimitable way.

Honestly, what "Europe" signifies depends what you mean by Europe.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:36:36 AM EST
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Thanks, Colman.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:39:35 AM EST
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If any of us - or anyone - knew that we'd be off taking over the world.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:17:38 AM EST
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In fact, I can't work out what the EU is, never mind Europe.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:19:49 AM EST
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Just borrow Franco's definition of Spain: a unity of destiny in the universal.

When you're done parsing that, would you mind explaining it to me?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:21:56 AM EST
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Actually it is quite a good distillation of fascism.

The universal is "the other", "the danger", "the challenge."

The unity of the destiny symbolises the belief that "the people are one" and propelled (destiny) to confront the universal and conquer it. It emphasises exceptionalism too.

Admittedly, you can put non-fascist interpretations to these concepts, but it does seem to me to fit well with Franco and other famous fascists. At the same time you can see the psychological parallels with people like the Bush administration in this attitude.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:58:16 AM EST
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I think the problem is in the question: there is no answer.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:20:46 AM EST
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If Europe is the answer, what is the question?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:27:58 AM EST
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Europe is a dream.
Everybody has different dreams.
Every dream has several different interpretations.
So it will take time to find the elements we all can agree with to put in that 'Europe'.
Some people have no dreams at all....they just wont the money.


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 09:00:28 AM EST
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