American Left Goes Nuts over Port Deal | 49 comments (49 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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Unfortunately, Joe Biden was on TV today doing the
"we can't let A-rabs run our ports," thing.

I suppose it is up for debate wether he's actually a Democrat or not...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 02:04:12 PM EST
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No, what's up for debate is whether the Democratic party is what liberals (especially liberal bloggers) make it out to be.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 02:08:52 PM EST
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You know, I was taken to task a few days ago for outright dismissing someone's comment. And rightly so.

I think may both right, making two separate points (Biden can be a wolf in sheep's clothing and the Democratic party can have altered its mission such that it no longer champions what "liberal bloggers" consider democratic values.)

I know I can have a dissmissive tone at times and I'm trying to be aware of that. Can I ask the same of you?

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 03:55:26 PM EST
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Sorry, I didn't mean to sound dismissive.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 04:29:25 PM EST
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The issue for Democrats here is how to reconcile being "tough on security" in Americans' eyes with standing true to their party's principles. Some people are able to be consistent, others like Joe Biden or Joe Lieberman fail miserably. They are still infinitely better than the GOP majority, because you can at least count on them half the time. At the same time though, in a country where political debate is limited to who makes the best soundbyte, how can any productive discourse take place without turning off potential voters? Just think back to 2004 when Kerry said we need to be "smart and sensitive" when it comes to using force to fight the war on terrorism. He was basically portrayed as a complete weakling by the opposition!

Mikhail from SF

by Tsarrio (dj_tsar@yahoo.com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 08:22:55 PM EST
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That's like trying to appear tough on crime while arguing against the death penalty. By the time you're done explaining your position your right-wind opponent has already gone through their entire platform.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 08:26:03 PM EST
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btw the wingnuts appear to have shot self in foot -- their passionate campaign to criminalise physicians over assisted suicide has borne strange fruit: in California doctors are refusing to officiate at the execution of a condemned murderer on grounds that it violates the Hippocratic Oath and professional ethics...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 08:31:32 PM EST
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It's fantastic.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 08:32:16 PM EST
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All they need to do is give up the lethal injection and go back to the electric chair, or hanging, or firing squad, or garrote, or guillotine, or drawing and quartering, or...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 08:33:59 PM EST
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I'm in favor of execution on the breaking wheel with live broadcast on all channels, over the air and cable, and compulsory attendance of the populace. Death penalty itself would be marched to the wheel pretty quickly :>

by Francois in Paris on Thu Feb 23rd, 2006 at 03:31:15 PM EST
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