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I find this all a little pessimistic. Isn't this blog an example of 'globalisation' at its best?

Globalisation is neutral. Unfortunately you can't separate 'good' globalisation (more immigration, communication, the forging of international protest, the broadening of horizons, more awareness of global catastrophy) from 'bad' globalisation (international crime networks, capital flight and speculation, rush to the bottom of labour/ environmental standards). They are both results of the same global human impulse to communicate, connect.

The only answer ultimately is multilateral government and international co-operation, and that's why we're on this blog.

by lemonwilmot (lemonwilmot at gmail.com) on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 07:45:56 AM EST
Well, that's why I called the diary "The Dark Side..."
I have made a research only on negative aspects, still your counterarguments about many positive effects are valid. The pro-globalist actually oppose the opinion that globalization fosters poverty and crime growth. On the contrary they argue that poverty, child mortality, illiteracy are "on the wane." After all, the variety of opinions is the precondition for the  truth, as John Stuard Mill(as long as I recollect it)has postulated it.

I'm not ugly,but my beauty is a total creation.Hegel
by Chris on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 08:55:34 AM EST
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Yes, you're right, a laissez faire attitude to globalisation is a sure way to accentuate the negative. In the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries undeard of economic inequality and urban criminality were unleashed as a side effect of the political and economic freedom brought by the bourgeois enlightenment and revolutions. Eventually it was recognised that only the action of a benign state could correct the imbalances and Social Democracy was born. In the same way the global society will also eventually realise that freedom of globalisation has a price that must be corrected by collective action.

We have to recognise the problems and forge global solutions. The EU was ahead of its time in that respect but its now slipping behind the curve

by lemonwilmot (lemonwilmot at gmail.com) on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 09:16:28 AM EST
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When I say 'unheard of inequality' I am, strictly speaking, wrong, the industrial proletariat was probably richer (in money terms) than the peasantry that preceded them. But the proletariat were more exposed to the wealth of others and the opportunities they might have if they were just a bit better off. and so they lived much unhealthier, unfulfilling lives (please see Marx) - and that's another parallel with the present.
by lemonwilmot (lemonwilmot at gmail.com) on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 09:30:14 AM EST
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the industrial proletariat was probably richer (in money terms) than the peasantry that preceded them.

Wealthier in what terms? Unhealthier, unfulfilling lives look like being poorer to me.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 10:17:23 AM EST
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The materialistic conception of history is the cornerstone of Marx' ideas. He considered the economic inequality to be prevailing component in the differences between the classes. His arguments, that political equality does not mean much when such economic disparities are present, are still valid today. But under communism it was reverse-economic equality but lack of liberties. So may be the answer lies somewhere in between...
A social welfare state with certain strong responsiblities in the public sector.(Like the Swedish Model)

I'm not ugly,but my beauty is a total creation.Hegel
by Chris on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 10:44:31 AM EST
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I don't think globalisation has any positives at all.

It's a policy of systematic exploitation which privileges the rich at the expense of the poor. While poverty is sometimes eliminated, the cost is literally incalculable. 'Growth' is really based on accumulating a huge ecological debt, and this will have to be repaid at some point, one way or another.

So while India and China are developing, their own ecologies are falling apart, and unless something dramatic changes, there really isn't more than a century of this kind of progress left. Meanwhile Africa is deliberately kept down at heel so that resources can be exploited as cheaply as possible.

So globalisation - which is really just violent theft and bribery with annual accounts - shouldn't be confused with global awareness. Which could potentially be about the West meeting 'less developed' cultures on equal terms instead of assuming that the Western approach is the best one, and the only possible one.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 09:58:24 AM EST
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violent theft and bribery with annual accounts

nicely put.

in the absence of transparency and rule-enforcement all business inevitably becomes crime;  profit can always be maximised through cheating and exploitation.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 07:43:18 PM EST
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Isn't this blog an example of 'globalisation' at its best?

Yes, but how does a bunch of Westerners with enough money for an internet connection discussing the world balance just one sweatshop, for example?

They are both results of the same global human impulse to communicate, connect.

If it were just a human impulse... But different policies by various elites have created one particular form of globalisation, which doesn't have to be the only form possible. (BTW, the 'anti-globalisation movement' prefers to call itself Altermondialist - that name expresses that it doesn't really want to crawl back into nation states, it wants a different kind of globalisation.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 10:14:22 AM EST
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But different policies by various elites have created one particular form of globalisation, which doesn't have to be the only form possible. (BTW, the 'anti-globalisation movement' prefers to call itself Altermondialist - that name expresses that it doesn't really want to crawl back into nation states, it wants a different kind of globalisation.)

A different globalization? Do you mean in terms of whether it is politically, economically or socially driven, or just another type of economical globalization?

Be careful! Is it classified?

by darin (dkaloyanov[at]gmail.com) on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 11:36:32 AM EST
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Both :-) A politically and socially driven globalisation with a different version of economic globalisation.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 28th, 2006 at 11:40:15 AM EST
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