The OFFICIAL pro-israel document dump | 32 comments (32 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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And the propaganda is the fact that every bit of news that is being posted so far is either from Lebanon, or an editorial by someone supporting Hizbollah or opposing Israel.

Bullshit. I often source news about israeli crimes from Haaretz because the facts speak for themselves and I want to avoid exactly this kind of accusation.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 4th, 2006 at 12:54:34 PM EST
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For example:

All from Haaretz.

I have also sourced the Jerusalem Post, and Ynet news.

The Breakfast and Evening Open threads are open for anyone to post news items. Whay don't you provide the balance you see lacking?

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 4th, 2006 at 01:01:33 PM EST
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All I ask is that when news and current events are being discussed, we separate real news from made up news. An article by Juan Cole, as respected as he may be, is not real news. It's rehashing of old news through the prism of one person. Similarly, re-posting articles from other blogs are propaganda even though they are not government-sponsored propaganda, because they seek to push one point only. Dictionary.com defines propaganda as "The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause." I say if you took the past 2 weeks worth of news reports and articles compiled from ET, the distribution wouldn't just be uneven, it would be extreme.

Again, I am not advocating that just because there's an Israeli side, it must be represented in the same exact proportion, I am merely stating that before we go on accusing someone of posting something unnecessary we look at our own actions.

Just for the record, I do not support Israel's current actions, although I do support its right to defend itself to SOME EXTENT.

Mikhail from SF

by Tsarrio (dj_tsar@yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 4th, 2006 at 07:34:22 PM EST
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Messy could at the very least given the source for this. Is it an e-mail he got? Where is it coming from? Everything else we quote here is linked to its source, so people can go and check for themselves.

I totally agree that opinion should be a separate section of the breakfast, I proposed this months ago, but it didn't stick. But I don't see you making this point on the Breakfast thread, or contributing other news and opinion to the Breakfast and Evening Open Thread either.

So ok, a sampling of ET's content will give that impression. That doesn't make it propaganda: it's an editorial line. But ET has dissenting voices.

I'm going to say the same to the "ET is anti-Israel" crowd that I said to the "ET is anti-American", "ET is anti-Russian" or "ET is anti-British" crowds. Enlighten us, source news and opinion, write diaries. Don't complain that the content you would write is not written by others.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 5th, 2006 at 04:43:30 AM EST
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Good suggestion (the opinion section).
For the rest, I would say that the only thing "anti-" that ET is, is "anti-ET".
ET has a lot of infighting. On whales, on Russia, on nuclear energy, on the EU Constitutional Treaty, on Israel ... although I would agree with Tsarrio that most of us here and not impressed with Israel's current stance in Lebanon, and it's quite rare for so many of us to seem to agree on that. Maybe we should indeed condemn Hezbollah's ugly moves more, to balance it out.

by Alex in Toulouse on Sat Aug 5th, 2006 at 04:47:27 AM EST
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