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I moved the main stuff below the fold, and changed page-blowing written-out links into embedded links. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
I am critisizing the lack of diversity of opinions on this site.
Bullshit. I often source news about israeli crimes from Haaretz because the facts speak for themselves and I want to avoid exactly this kind of accusation. Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
I have also sourced the Jerusalem Post, and Ynet news.
The Breakfast and Evening Open threads are open for anyone to post news items. Whay don't you provide the balance you see lacking? Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
Again, I am not advocating that just because there's an Israeli side, it must be represented in the same exact proportion, I am merely stating that before we go on accusing someone of posting something unnecessary we look at our own actions.
Just for the record, I do not support Israel's current actions, although I do support its right to defend itself to SOME EXTENT. Mikhail from SF
I totally agree that opinion should be a separate section of the breakfast, I proposed this months ago, but it didn't stick. But I don't see you making this point on the Breakfast thread, or contributing other news and opinion to the Breakfast and Evening Open Thread either.
So ok, a sampling of ET's content will give that impression. That doesn't make it propaganda: it's an editorial line. But ET has dissenting voices.
I'm going to say the same to the "ET is anti-Israel" crowd that I said to the "ET is anti-American", "ET is anti-Russian" or "ET is anti-British" crowds. Enlighten us, source news and opinion, write diaries. Don't complain that the content you would write is not written by others. Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
Almost everyone on this site is pro-Israeli and pro-American. Oh, and pro-Lebanon and pro-Iran. It's the leaders of those countries that seem to be on the other side.
you may
In Jerusalem, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told Reuters he wanted the international force to be mandated to enforce a U.N. resolution that calls for Hizbollah to be disarmed, adding that Israel had already destroyed much of the group's military power. Soon after he spoke, one of more than 150 rockets launched by Hizbollah on Wednesday landed just inside the West Bank after flying further than any fired at Israel in the past three weeks. Hizbollah said it had hit the Israeli town of Beit Shean, almost 70 km (45 miles) from the border, with "Khaibar 1" rockets to avenge Israeli attacks on civilians in Lebanon.
Soon after he spoke, one of more than 150 rockets launched by Hizbollah on Wednesday landed just inside the West Bank after flying further than any fired at Israel in the past three weeks.
Hizbollah said it had hit the Israeli town of Beit Shean, almost 70 km (45 miles) from the border, with "Khaibar 1" rockets to avenge Israeli attacks on civilians in Lebanon.
My head just blew up. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
about the fact that the Qana death toll was overstated
The initial estimate of 54 persons killed was based on a register of 63 persons who had sought shelter in the basement of the building that was struck, and rescue teams having located nine survivors. It now appears that at least 22 people escaped the basement, and 28 are confirmed dead, according to records from the Lebanese Red Cross and the government hospital in Tyre. Thirteen people remain missing, and some Qana residents fear they are buried in the rubble, although recovery efforts have stopped.
Thirteen people remain missing, and some Qana residents fear they are buried in the rubble, although recovery efforts have stopped.
3) Much more relevant is HRW's next report IDF Fails to Explain Qana Bombing, which contains these snippets:
...IDF ... did not say whether it believed that Hezbollah fighters were in or around the building at the time of or directly prior to the attack, which would potentially make the building a legitimate target. Its failure even to make this claim suggests that fighters were not present. ...two eyewitnesses ...Human Rights Watch researchers ...None of the international journalists, rescue workers and international observers who visited the scene has yet reported seeing evidence of Hezbollah military presence in the area, and rescue workers have not yet recovered any bodies identifiable as Hezbollah fighters. ...It remains unclear why the IDF, with superior aerial surveillance, did not know the families were there. ...The warnings are not an excuse to shoot blindly at anyone who remains. ...a report ...documented a systematic failure by the IDF to distinguish between combatants and civilians. ...Of all the cases of civilian casualties included in the report, Human Rights Watch found, none involved Hezbollah deliberately using civilians as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack.
...two eyewitnesses ...Human Rights Watch researchers ...None of the international journalists, rescue workers and international observers who visited the scene has yet reported seeing evidence of Hezbollah military presence in the area, and rescue workers have not yet recovered any bodies identifiable as Hezbollah fighters.
...It remains unclear why the IDF, with superior aerial surveillance, did not know the families were there.
...The warnings are not an excuse to shoot blindly at anyone who remains.
...a report ...documented a systematic failure by the IDF to distinguish between combatants and civilians. ...Of all the cases of civilian casualties included in the report, Human Rights Watch found, none involved Hezbollah deliberately using civilians as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack.
Then, an "Official pro-israel document" package is propaganda. It's the official that makes it so. Embedded journalism is also propaganda. You can accuse ET of selective reporting, which is not the same thing as propaganda. Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
Exactly, and 'selective reporting' is a much more fuzzy concept.
Embedded journalism is also propaganda.
No. We're talking a war zone here and journalists reporting on the military of one party to the conflict is not in and of itself propaganda. Nor is it propaganda when journalists are taken by one party in the conflict on tours.
Since we are all humans and incapable of being entirely objective, the word "propaganda" carries little weight. It is certainly not universally recognized as a bad thing... Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
I suggested earlier to indicate op-eds by writing out the writers' name alongside the news site's name. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
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