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Thanks for that poem, gives some perspective on things.
Quite a fight here last night. It was like a contest for the highest position in our PN hiërarchy.:)

Aviation has always been a point of interest for me and what really happened on 9/11 is for sure one of the things I really want to know.
I did myself a 'replay' of the plane-trajects with a flight-sim on my computer. Only after hours of trial and error I could fly my machine in one of the towers. Hitting the Pentagon the way it was done was impossible for me on the sim. But I'm not a pilot, just a computerdesk-amateur.

So, there are questions about what exactly happened. The way the US-authority's handled the aftermath raised more questions than answers.
But I do not really care who's behind all this, who's manipulating who. They are all of the same calibre, Bush, Bin Laden and their allies or followers.

The real danger are the fences being build around our democracy. In this my disappointment about Europe grows when I see the USA political leadership is hardly criticezed. An open and strong democracy would deal with technical details in no time.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Sat Sep 16th, 2006 at 07:08:39 AM EST
Only after hours of trial and error I could fly my machine in one of the towers. Hitting the Pentagon the way it was done was impossible for me on the sim. But I'm not a pilot, just a computerdesk-amateur.
Supposedly the 9/11 pilots had been trained on Cessnas and had at most had flight-simulator training with large passenger jets.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 16th, 2006 at 07:41:22 AM EST
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I got the chance to play with a Boeing 747 flight simulator quite a few times.   I was leading a project for the machine control and propulsion systems for frigates and had to go to the subcontractor's machine room simulator.  Lucky for me, I had a friend who was working on the Boeing 747 simulators just next door.

The first time I tried to land was with the simulator set for Hong Kong airport.  I oversteered (it's really easy to do the first time) and everyone else in the cockpit got really sick to their stomach.  My friend was co-piloting and we were on ILS but bounced off the runway before landing.  Just steering the bloody thing to the terminal is difficult, and I am drive a manual transmission Jeep

They have devices to simulate motion in the cabin and the seats, and even the cabin smells the same.  When I opened the door, I was sure that I had taken a trip somewhere because the smell of the hydraulic oil reminded me so much of taking a trip.

It was great fun, and it took me at least 6 weeks to get used to handling the controls.

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Sat Sep 16th, 2006 at 10:46:57 AM EST
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