Random site redesign thoughts | 89 comments (89 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 3)

Heh.

We could see "I agree but you're being a troll" ratings and "I hate what you're saying but I'd die to defend your right to say it" ratings.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:03:56 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 0)

Both things I have thought at times.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:05:16 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 3)

And we could show a ratings scatterplot beside each comment.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:05:33 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 0)

I love it!

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:06:49 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

In general, decoupling agreement and quality would be a good thing. There should be an explicit way for people to recognise good writing they disagree with, and the converse.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:09:46 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

Also for diaries?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:13:17 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

The explicit way seems to me to be... a comment?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 09:18:50 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 3)

Well, yes, in particular if you want to elaborate on some point. With a view to longer comment threads it seems that the efficiency of a rating to say 'agree' should not be discounted. I would also be interested to see if a multi-dimensional system would encourage people to think in these terms more. One would also be able to collect data this way, which a response comment doesn't allow.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 09:30:39 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

Yes, but we don't need 10 comments saying the same thing. I avoid writing quite a few comments because people have already said what I would have said.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 01:41:44 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 0)

I don't like "me too", "agreed", or "hear, hear" comments.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 13th, 2007 at 06:22:11 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

hear, hear! me too!

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sun Jan 14th, 2007 at 04:36:11 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

Oh, no! I've created a monster!

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:07:14 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 3)

Actually, I don't know we need to be constrained by two-dimensions. We could add some others - humour quality for instance and use Chernoff faces to display the results.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:13:30 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

And if we colour-coded the Chernoff faces ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:14:04 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 1)

Be careful, you'd get accusations of racism.

Something less anthropomorphic than faces...

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:15:35 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

Racism? From Chernoff faces color-coded in primary colors?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:17:53 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 0)

Hey, those are all old (bald) white men!

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:20:56 AM EST
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Enough is enough (4.00 / 2)

Sorry.. but fuc* all those fuc** bastards who say that face expretion is in the fuck*g face...is the freaking gene of the time. that we all have predetermined. To the hell with all of them.

I have neve never NEVER understood what the freaking faces mean... other than a smile code which I do understand given the universality around me about a smile being nice... I have never never been able to understand thos fr--fuc*ing faces!!!!!

Enough is enough!!! NO faces dimesnionality in the comment rating.

I have said.. and rest my case. Your honour.

Sincerly yours

Mr/Mrs Boldface.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 12:04:52 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 1)

The Chernoff faces per se were intended to encode many additional dimensions into a 2D scatterplot, exploiting human face-image brainware to let people easily see groupings and outliers in those additional dimensions. The proposed application seems different enough that directly expressive, non-Chernoff faces might be better.

That said, I'd prefer to see an emphasis on the cooler, cognitive dimensions of response, and faces seem to me to pull in the opposite direction. In other words, I hate the idea and it makes me angry! Besides, it would devalue html abuse and buffoonery.

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by technopolitical on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 02:29:24 PM EST
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Faces (4.00 / 2)

I don't know what half these faces mean.

None of them look very happy. I mean, I don't think anyone here will be mistaking me for Pollyanna, but . . .

I think I have just about mastered
:)
;)
:D
:/
:(
and
:O
But
;(
and
;O
stil give me trouble.

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:23:44 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 1)

Animated as well!
(I did start doing some work a POV-Ray generated animation scheme for displaying community mojo flows in some 3-d colour graph type thing. But then I got side tracked while rendering stuff, and could not make up my mind about representation of the data. Maybe some day I'll finish this movie.)

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:18:55 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

Oh, by the way, we can then use the ratings and bayesian analysis to show people what other users they are more likely to agree/disagree with, as well as "if you enjoyed this diary, you might also enjoy this other ones". or "if you found this comment hilarious, wait until you see these".

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:18:14 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 1)

And don't forget the rest of Technopolitical's wishlist.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:20:17 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 0)

I saw that one of them, internal username-based email, is implemented at TPM Cafe. It's also a feature of an unmentionable site that has been a centre of political activity for many years now.

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by technopolitical on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 02:50:02 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 0)

Did I remember to mention expandable/collapsible comments (affecting their appended threads, of course). Giving commenters the ability to post default-closed comments (default-open to their recipients) would add a useful dimension of expressiveness, enabling one to say something that is a distraction from the main thread, but appropriate in a more local sense.

A further refinement would be to provide a rating dimension that can change default-open to default-closed for subsequent readers. This would be far short of calling "Troll!", but would gently say, "This doesn't really fit here", and move the comment out of the way.

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by technopolitical on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 02:52:18 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 0)

Have you tried the "dinamic threaded" or "dynamic minimal" comment display options currently available on ET? You can test them by using the pul-down menu between any diary and its comments.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 13th, 2007 at 06:19:08 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 0)

I've taken a look; they don't do what I suggest, of course, but they do decrease the cost of the problem that my suggestion is intended to address.

The mode I picture would, in its default behavior, act like the current default "nested" mode. It would increase expressiveness chiefly by by enabling commenters to choose an unobtrusive way to post. With this option available, I imagine that there would be moderate community pressure on commenters to select the full-display mode only for comments intended to advance the general discussion (vs., say, making a minor correction to another commenter, a semi-private joke, etc.).

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by technopolitical on Sun Jan 14th, 2007 at 02:45:32 AM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 1)

[candidate default-collapsed comment:]

Did you know that Google thinks that you are the only person in the universe responsible for the mysterious character string, "It's the statue, man, The Statue."?

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by technopolitical on Sun Jan 14th, 2007 at 03:10:55 AM EST
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That actually conforms to Stigler's Law of Eponimy, namely, that nothing is attributed to the person that originated it.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 14th, 2007 at 11:18:26 AM EST
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"nothing is attributed to the person that originated it"?

Who said that?

And "It's the statue...."?

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by technopolitical on Sun Jan 14th, 2007 at 12:38:41 PM EST
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Stigler did say that no scientific discovery is named after its discovery, and my sig is thatbritguy's.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 14th, 2007 at 01:14:45 PM EST
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And therefore needs no explanation.

?

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by technopolitical on Tue Jan 16th, 2007 at 02:46:00 AM EST
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What needs no explanation? My signature?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 17th, 2007 at 03:58:34 AM EST
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Transparent.
Illuminating.
Gleaming.

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by technopolitical on Wed Jan 17th, 2007 at 02:57:11 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (none / 1)

So we could say...

If you liked this...

You might enjoy this...

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Jan 12th, 2007 at 08:50:30 AM EST
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lol, ET marries amazon!

i foresee software that would analyse your comment for various attributes, then feed you back a sophisticated composite graphic rendition of your socio-political tendencies...

it might be interesting to track mojo and make graphs of how it's chains and accumulations interlink the posters.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jan 16th, 2007 at 05:35:43 PM EST
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Re: Random site redesign thoughts (4.00 / 2)

Now all we need is a 3-D style phase-space animated gif series, which reads off the mix of responses...maybe one response, no pic. A couple of responses, you see a simple design (have a few in there to stop it all becoming--irritating--) and as the ratings mounted up the design would become more complex...

The trick is...you can't easily find out the ratings--unless you posted the comment. All the others can see are simple or more complex shapes, developing over time. But if one has access to one's own ratings, and can see one's own shapes, one will learn what the shapes mean...but they will never have a binary meaning..once they start up, they're endlessly flexible (two "4" ratings, for example, would give a relatively simple diagram in, say, five variations...so once you've seen all five you get the idea...but a comment with fifteen ratings on two (or three! No!) different scales...and raters could choose how many scales to rate on...oh my word...