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Obama's Energy Program Will Work: It's Why I Don't Want Him as Our Nominee. | 51 comments (51 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Well, if you're heading over to ratical.org and (4.00 / 2)
looking for "respect," you won't get any here.

I always hate it when appeals to ignorance are phrased in terms of "respect."

Talk about a "lunatic asylum," that site, www.ratical.org is so mindless, I really don't know where to begin.

The choice is between coal and nuclear, whether or not you or the illiterates at ratical.com like it.    This is not a matter of opinion so much as it is a matter of physics.  

The matter is pretty clear to anyone who can think.   Germany decided to "phase out" nuclear - based on appeals, again, to ignorance - and immediately started building new coal plants, plants it says "won't count" for carbon dioxide emissions.

In any case, I'll bet one zillion euros that you're not going to be heading out to Chad this week to begin living a lifestyle that involves "working outside and harder."  

by NNadir on Wed Jan 17th, 2007 at 02:36:06 PM EST
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Re: Well, if you're heading over to ratical.org (4.00 / 3)
The choice is between coal and nuclear, whether or not you or the illiterates at ratical.com like it.    This is not a matter of opinion so much as it is a matter of physics.

Please spell out the physics of this?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 17th, 2007 at 02:45:17 PM EST
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Re: Well, if you're heading over to ratical.org (4.00 / 2)
It's really simple. Measure the ability to produce energy in the volume that has to be digged each year, and coal and nuclear beat everything else for the same amount of energy.

But it is more a question of biology than physics. Coal = big dick, nuclear = bigger dick.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jan 17th, 2007 at 06:27:47 PM EST
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We have only three base-load, 24/7 ways of meeting electricity demand: fossil fuels (mainly coal), hydro (a finite resource), and nuclear power.

In Europe, the countries with the lowest per capita greenhouse gas emissions are the countries getting their electricity from nuclear and hydro.  Denmark has high per capita emissions because it gets most of its electricity from burning coal.  Germany also has high per-capita emissions.

Less digging, transport, etc. for nuclear than for coal.

It takes a ton of ore to make four to six pounds of yellowcake, which, after going through enrichment and fabrication processes, becomes a pellet of uranium oxide fuel weighing .24 ounces--about seven grams.

Uranium ore is so dense that a ton of it could fit in the back of a pick up truck with room to spare.

One fuel pellet contains the same amount of energy as
*    149 gallons of oil,
*    157 gallons of regular gasoline
*    17,000 cubic feet of natural gas, or
*    1,780 pounds of coal

In terms of energy resource, a single uranium miner brings out in a single day ten thousand times more than a single coal miner in a single day.

Life cycle emissions from nuclear power are comparable to those from wind power. See
http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/pdf/fdm1181.pdf

by Plan9 on Thu Jan 18th, 2007 at 12:37:42 PM EST
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I don't know why mechanical storage cannot be used to even out the intermittency of renewable energy sources and thtus provide baseload capacity. (wiki)

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 18th, 2007 at 12:45:59 PM EST
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thanks for the attention (none / 0)
the page came up googling for figures on radiation effects stats in france, to contrast with the rest of the planet.

i wasn't asking you to review that website, i saw that page and read it.

you are welcome to refute the facts in it -that page, and i should like to learn from you, as you indouhtedly know much i don't.

problem is, your 'tude comes off to me as hostile and deprecatory.

no need, methinks, unless you have an axe to grind.

anyway, you've decided...

lucky you

i like your writing and i'm glad you're here.

even if our respective worldviews are decidedly asynchronous...

i hope to heaven you are wrong, because it takes more than good writing to convince.

i listen more to <i<tone</i>.

and i'm not alone...

and, nor are you.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jan 17th, 2007 at 03:28:36 PM EST
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Obama's Energy Program Will Work: It's Why I Don't Want Him as Our Nominee. | 51 comments (51 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
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