Somalia: Are Hydrocarbons the Target? | 46 comments (46 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Somalia: Are Hydrocarbons the Target? (none / 1)

I certianly read the news about oil exploration in the past Us intervention. Accordign to what I recalled, ther esults were negative.
Besides, taking into account how difficutl to have a ceasefire and stability in Somalia I doubt the Busha dministration is looking for oil there.

Another compeltely different things is the relevance of Somalia as a country whcih is very close to a basic oil route.

It certainly makes sense that the US does nto want a war there where one of the elements has developed weapon technology. It is mcuh mroe better to ahve a peaceful coutnry or a limited war with limited weapons means.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Jan 18th, 2007 at 03:32:20 PM EST

Re: Somalia: Are Hydrocarbons the Target? (none / 1)

Even if they were just going after "terrorists", as Eric Margolis says:

A handful of African Al-Qaida suspects in the 1998 bombing of US Embassies in East Africa may have been in Somalia, but going to war against a sovereign nation to try to assassinate or capture a handful of suspects is like using a nuclear weapon to kill a gnat and is sure to generate more anti-US violence. Air strikes by carrier-based US F-18's and AC-130 gunships killed between 50 and 100 Somali civilians but, apparently, no al-Qaida suspects. The real aim of the US air attacks was to destroy remaining fighting units of the Islamic Courts and clear the way for the US-imposed Somali figurehead government.

I suppose by that "logic", Cuba should send its MIGs to bomb Miami or wherever Posada Carriles is located in the USA!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Thu Jan 18th, 2007 at 03:48:15 PM EST
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Re: Somalia: Are Hydrocarbons the Target? (none / 1)

US a rogue state' Us controling countries arund routes...or US goign after soem clear targets... welll

I woudl say that they try to ahve certainc ontrol over an sepcific area..a nd maybe is the christian.muslim stuff which envigorates Bushbase....

In anyc ase.. thanks for the diary!!! Hope to see youa round mcuh more!.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 05:23:19 AM EST
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A handful of African Al-Qaida suspects in the 1998 bombing of US Embassies in East Africa may have been in Somalia, but going to war against a sovereign nation to try to assassinate or capture a handful of suspects is like using a nuclear weapon to kill a gnat and is sure to generate more anti-US violence.

I thought the US AC 130 attacks were in support of the legitimate government of Somalia and against the Islamic rebel group and al-Qaeda terrorists. Did I miss something in the translation, or is it just common sense to call any US supported government a "figurehead", especially if there happens to be oil within the country?

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 11:41:21 PM EST
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Re: Somalia: Are Hydrocarbons the Target? (none / 0)

Oh, sorry to be so impolite. Welcome to the blog Maracutu. Actually a very good diary. Please don't take my sarcasm personally. I just represent a less liberal view than some and my enthusiasm occasionally gets the better of me.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 11:57:59 PM EST
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"Legitimate government", hmm. Depends on what your grounds for legitimacy are.

The Transitional Federal Government was formed in exile as a part of a reconciliation preocess that not all fighting factions wanted part of.

Wikipedia states:

The Transitional Federal Government (TFG) was formed in October–November 2004 in Nairobi, Kenya with the adoption of the following Transitional Federal Institutions (TFI), all accomplished by the end of the sessions:

Selection of 275 Transitional Federal Parliament (TFP) members

Approval of the Transitional Federal Charter (TFC)

Election of Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed as President by the Parliament (October 10) as head of the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) and appointment of the Council of Ministers, including Prime Minister Ali Mohammed Ghedi (November 4).[19]

Wiki article

Being backed by traditional enemy Ethiopia was not unanimously supported either.

Following the success of the Supreme Islamic Courts Council in taking Mogadishu, and the alleged entry of Ethiopian troops into Somalia, members of the transitional government started to resign.

Wiki article

Of course you can view a selected parliament in exile as legitimate. It certainly had support of some foreign nations. But then I have to ask what your grounds for legitimacy is?

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Jan 20th, 2007 at 08:22:21 AM EST
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Re: Somalia: Are Hydrocarbons the Target? (none / 0)

I agree with what you've pointed out. When moving from a situation where there has been no government to a transitional one there were bound to be disagreements, but I wouldn't go so far as to label the transitional government a "figurehead" and practically brand it a puppet of the US's quest for oil.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Jan 20th, 2007 at 11:39:30 AM EST
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Since I disagree with the notion that the US is one of the main players I agree that the transitional government is not US puppet. I think it is in many ways Ethiopias puppet.

To clarify, I think the transitional governement is now in a position where they are completedly dependent on ethiopian troops to defend them, which makes inable to act contrary to ethiopian interests. Which is what "puppet" often means. However, things were not always such. They were formed in exile from different groups in Somalia and thus held support from those groups. I think that the resignations signifies groups droping out of this coalition. Which would mean that their legitimacy on the ground is very weak.

And to clarify even further, the ethiopian government is a pretty ruthless dictatorship but is not a puppet of the US even though they have succedeed in positioning themselves as allies to the US. That gives Ethiopia guns, and the US some say in Ethiopias actions. The Ethiopian involvement in the Somali civil war predates their US support.

("Ethiopia" is here used to signify the ruling clique of Ethiopia, that is Meles and his crowd.)

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Jan 20th, 2007 at 02:05:07 PM EST
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Thanks for the welcome and the complement on the diary. I learned a lot more from the comments (which, I must confess, was my original intent behind the diary in the first place)

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Sat Jan 20th, 2007 at 04:14:53 PM EST
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