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I am coming to the same conclusion as Colman: that ET doesn't have to do and be everything. But that it should seek to cluster with other synergistic forums. RSS feeds are one way to do that - having an automated method of staying aware of what is happening in other forums. Ideally this would be personal: I choose which feeds out of an 'official' list I want to to see.

Keeping it simple also keeps it low cost.

The Dicole software I am working with provides many excellent collaboration tools, but they are designed primarily for large organizations, which means it is expensive and requires expensive maintenance and very secure hosting.

However our deal with the company is a straight exchange. They need a 'case' which companies can review and 'see how it works'. They cannot, for obvious reasons, allow potential clients access to an existing commercial client's use of the software (at least not in any useful depth). We (the SOS members) need the tools, but we don't have the money (or the skills). So there is a useful synergy.

The SOS network will probably interest several ETers (you know who you are) and thus these people will have a chance to see how it works.

But rhere is another interesting aspect that I'm not sure I have mentioned previously: My main partner and fellow founder in the SOS group is a mentor for quite a few high-level Finnish executives. The mentoring is in English. Most of his clients have come to him because they are unhappy with the way organizations are managed today, and they want to do something about it, personally. He now has the chance to reach a wider audience by formalising the reflections/insights of his one-on-one mentoring for larger groups - who will in turn reflect and customise for their own situations.

I see that an interface between these people and certain parts of ET could be very fruitful.

So, what comes to mind is the following: that we would provide a workshop area for ET at the new site gratis, with all the collaborative tools, when it is needed (ie when a subgroup of ET needs to work together on a report or something using all the tools of the system (which goes up to videoconferencing and beyond). I know this is possible - because one of the principle features of the software is the easy birth of new working groups and the rapid customization of tools and access.

Whether the software company wants to extend this possibility is another matter, but I will raise it in discussions. I can't see any reason why not, as long as it would be part of the 'case'. By that I mean that potential clients could view what was going on. And 'view' only. Just as anyone can 'view' everything at ET. Access control is very easy to manage in the system, and can be dynamic at many different levels.

Whether ETers would want to take part in such an experiment is for you to comment on.

I see what my group is doing as being a useful part of a cluster. We are specialising in methods for changing organizations, using the very tools that we think will be needed to effect and manage change. It would be great to share such insights, just as it is great to receive all the insights from being a member of ET.

So I am all for the cluster concept, providing that the ways of linking them are simple and easy to customize. And I think this will be the next software/technology focus (Web 3.0 maybe?).

I am not going up on the mountaintop, but I do have a vision of a noosphere - communities from all over the world connected together, and able to act together. There is great power in numbers. If the noosphere IS a giant brain, then it will also take on the way a brain has evolved, not as closed off neural network units that don't talk to each other, but with the synaesthetic connections of the brain.

Oh, you don't agree that speech evolved synaesthetically? Well we can argue that one too ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 12:30:56 PM EST
Ideally this would be personal: I choose which feeds out of an 'official' list I want to to see.

That was my intention, mostly. I think one default box would be a good idea.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 12:40:24 PM EST
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Right.

I like the idea that one could construct one's own 'newspaper' using different parameters such as ::only show me opinion pieces from The Independent if it is written by Ms X::

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 12:59:27 PM EST
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You have seen the googlzon flash movie, right?

(Otherwise, you should)

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 02:50:41 PM EST
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I had not and thanks!

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 03:33:03 PM EST
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Indeed. I think it will be great

COlman could you take into consideration the following?

I think it is very strange for the first time visitor to see comments and not being able to localize how to post one.. since the comment display does not appear if you are not log-in (an typical blogs make it very easy to post a comment)

Is it possible to have the comment option available and then open a log-in page if the user is not log-in.

This way we will introduce more users to the system.
I recall it took me some time to see what was going on.. typically I would have just gone away from kos.. but still...only after coming back once and again I did it.

SO .. is it very difficult to do it? Comment and reply possibilities available always.. but then asking for the user password if you are not log-in?

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 01:40:05 PM EST
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I suggested on the mock layout thread that the unlogged-in screen (that non-members forcibly see) should be designed specifically with "newbies" in mind, since the mechanisms of the Scoop-a-Doop are not obvious. You have given us another example. I hope we'll be able to do this -- I think it's simply a matter of work for people who do Perl, and I think we have people who are willing to help.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 02:54:57 PM EST
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I could not agree more...

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Jan 22nd, 2007 at 04:20:21 PM EST
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