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If VHS routes in the US are laid out so that the corridor also runs through towns that are the target for MHS interurbans, that means a substantial reduction in the effective trip speed of the VHS route as it deviates further and further from the direct route between its target markets ... and also as it makes accommodation for the existing built environment.
And meanwhile in many areas of the country there are freight corridors in use that were allocated to serve dual track systems and are in use by single-track plus passing loop systems. Because of the byzantine complexity of the access rights on the corridor ... strategic parcels that were bought outright, easements, perpetual roll-over leases, etc. ... the owners of those access rights rarely narrowed the corridor when they switched to single track ... that normally does not happen unless the entire corridor has been abandoned (and sometimes not even then ... it can sometimes take a while for an abandoned route to make its way through the system and lose its corridor status).
And because of the time that they were laid out and their importance in the development of population centers, they often run exactly where we would want an interurban branch line to run. That is especially the case for Dixie and the Great Lakes States, which are politically critical to ensuring the an expanded passenger rail system is not seen as a pure subsidy to the "urban east coast".
Get an new track on that system that relies on stretches of the freight track for its passing loops, and enact priority for the passenger services, and you have a substantial savings compared to the cost of acquiring the right of way for a new alignment.
And, as in the above thread, that is not the conditions that are in place in another area, then don't do it there. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
I realise I used confusing terminology. Sometimes 'corridor' is used to mean a general route along which several transport infrastructure lines can be built: e.g., say a highway and a canal and a local road, or a high-speed and a conventional rail line. (Or alternatively: different plan versions for a future line.) *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
And there is still the problem, is it the optimal alignment for very high speed rail, or the optimal alignment for medium high speed rail. It can't be both at the same time, because the very high speed rail should take the most rapid route between the centers that it is connecting, and the medium high speed rail should take the route that provides the most effective transport for potential passengers at the intermediate stops in between.
And of course there are a lot of existing alignments in the US that are not fully built out that fill the bill for a medium high speed alignment ... existing rail alignments that would be suitable for very high speed rail is much less common. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
This is also rail terminology here, wouldn't have used it otherwise. But from the rest of your reply, it appears to me that I still failed to completely convey what I meant. What I meant (and spelled out upthread, maybe not in the clearest way) was exactly this:
the very high speed rail should take the most rapid route between the centers that it is connecting, and the medium high speed rail should take the route that provides the most effective transport for potential passengers at the intermediate stops in between
I.e., I meant separate alignments between two major cities, which can get dozens of kilometres apart, one new and straight and avoiding smaller cities, the other an upgraded old line crossing smaller cities. To expend money on smaller-city-traversing high-speed alignments, or worse on parallel high- and low-speed lines, and have two types of service along the same line, makes sense only when population density is high anyway and concentrated along a narrow strip -- e.g. like Japan's West Coast, Taiwan's East Coast, but also the US Northeast Corridor (as in Marek's proposal).
And of course there are a lot of existing alignments in the US that are not fully built out that fill the bill for a medium high speed alignment
I would count only Washington-NYC(-Boston) and a few shorter stretches. I assumed upgrades to the existing lines, including cutoffs and tunnels, not simply different use. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
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I would count only Washington-NYC(-Boston) and a few shorter stretches. I assumed upgrades to the existing lines, including cutoffs and tunnels, not simply different use.
I am not sure what "only count" applies to here.
Cleveland / Akron / Canton / Newark / Columbus / Dayton / Cincinatti / Louisville would be usefully served by 100mph rail. Many of those legs could run on existing alignments.
Detroit / Toledo / Cleveland / Buffalo / Rochester / Syracuse / Albany / Boston would be usefully served by 100mpg rail (ditto).
Miama / Fort Lauterdale / Orlando / Jacksonville and Atlanta / Chattanooga / Nashville / Memphis, especially with a VHS Dallas / Memphis / Atlanta / Jacksonville. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
You can tell I'm not a Suthuna. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
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