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Did anyone bother to tell the somalis?

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 07:11:51 PM EST
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I remember debates on the Anarchy article, around the question of "functioning anarchies". Christiania, Somalia and the Spanish Revolution (in Catalonia at the start of the Civil War) were put forward as examples.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 07:16:34 PM EST
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Well, anarchism is a nebulous term. I know a few anarchists, and none of them would claim Somalia was anarchistic in their meaning of the word. But then, there are about as many different types of anarchism as there are anarchists. I find the libertarian-leaning crowd among them to be almost as unendurable as randites.
by Trond Ove on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 07:24:53 PM EST
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there are about as many different types of anarchism as there are anarchists

There are more...

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by Melanchthon on Wed Jan 31st, 2007 at 09:39:04 PM EST
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I had a friend who convinced me that the essence of anarchism is that everyone should organise themselves as they damn well please, which implies as many flavours of anarchism as organisational units.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 03:36:06 AM EST
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The anarchists i met back then in College seemed to  limit their "organization" to the individual. And even that was doubtful, given their level of hygiene.
by Torres on Thu Feb 1st, 2007 at 06:22:42 AM EST
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I much prefer the anarchism of Emma Goldman and her contemporaries. Though she talks about current events and things to be done, rather then theory.

But from what I gathered from her writings she see anarchism as something like this:

  • Freedom from want and oppression
  • Freedom from leaders, that is power to the people

Freedom from leaders does not imply lack of structure, but rather more structure (but without oppression).

During the russian revolution anarchists and anarchist press often supported the independence of local soviets (which is a russian word for council) against central power in Moscow. They saw the local councils as being closer to the people as well as more democratic.

Unsurprisingly many 19th century russian anarchists looked at the US as being better - more anarchist - in many aspects then Russia.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 05:54:57 AM EST
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And by these criteria Somalia is of course not quite an anarchy. Lots of leaders there as well as want and oppression.

In fact, I doubt that anarchy (as above) could even be see as an ideal that can be fulfilled. Want and oppression on one hand is hardly easily defined as soon as you are out of starvation and the crack of the whip. Freedom from leaders is also tougher the more anarchistic it gets.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Feb 2nd, 2007 at 06:03:43 AM EST
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