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For those who might be interested, here is a link to

Swissinfo - Swiss politics graphs page

And here is one chart I thought was informative: Choice of political party by social class



"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:04:26 AM EST
Fascist farmers!

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:10:55 AM EST
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And social democrat "socio-cultural specialists"...

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:11:38 AM EST
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What the hell is a socio-cultural specialist anyway?

Is it some kind of newspeak?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 07:11:37 AM EST
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artists, social workers, union people, etc?

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 07:45:17 AM EST
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Artists and social workers I get, but union workers?

Aren't they rather in the "skilled workers" category?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 07:53:20 AM EST
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I was being somewhat arcastic in my response...but actually, there is quite strong mutual support between the SP and the Unions here in Switzerland.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 11:07:19 AM EST
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In Spain membership in the Socialist Union (UGT) used to be a prerequisite for membership in the Socialist Party until relatively recently. I wonder whether the same was true of other European Countries.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 04:23:04 PM EST
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It used to be that members of Mitterrand's socialist party had to be members of an Union - unspecified. It's still in the party statuses but most members of that party aren't union members, that's certain.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:28:56 PM EST
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From the 1898 - 1987 (according to wikipedia) membership in any mayor union gave you an automatic membership in the Social Democratic party. Historically this was logical as the Soc.Dems were founded as a group of unions party wing. When they came to power they solidified their position as the unions party and marginalised those that would not play ball (the syndicalists unions).

The 1950'ies and 60'ies was probably the high point of soc dem control of the unions. With acceptance from the right wing, the soc dem governments (illegaly) put up a secret organisations to (illegaly) track communists, information then used to marginalise opposition within the unions. And to deny communists good jobs, and so on (the ordinary list of minor harassments).

In 1973 two journalists on a leftwing paper exposed the secret organisations, eventually leading to them being shut down (as far as we are told anyway). In this swedish version of the Watergate scandal the journalists were sent to jail (one year, for espionage) and the guilty politicians ruled on. Among them Palme who went on to become quite famous.

Eventually the coupling became untenable and in 1987 it was given up. The Soc.Dems membership shrunk quickly, still they remain the largest party.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 09:32:35 PM EST
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Pretty insane when you think of it.

You could not support unions if you didn't support the Party.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sat Oct 20th, 2007 at 12:55:10 PM EST
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Bad translation, the French text says something like "workers with university degree in social sciences" as opposed to "workers with degree in sciences, techniques and law"
by Hansvon on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 03:25:04 PM EST
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They are the dangerous people who love criminals and want to incorporate and homogenize the poor swiss people into a European socialist standard! Here, this little bit from the UDC/SVPs election propaganda literature sent to my home, and transcribed for your enjoyment, might shed some light:

Place Publique
Journal de l'Union Démocratique du Centre de Genève
Spécial Élections Fédérales 2007 - Numéro 41
Place Publique
Journal of the Center Democratic Union (UDC/SVP) of Geneve
Special Federal Elections 2007 - Number 41
On peut essayer de comprendre cette volonté invraisemblable d'aide aux criminels manifestée par la gauche unanime, cette union sacrée de soutien au crime à laquelle participent les parties du centre par leur indifférence. Pourquoi cette création en Suisse d'un lobby pro-criminel, tracté par une gauche et en mal de projet en panne d'idées électorales? One can try to understand this incredible desire to help criminals shown unanimously by the left, this sacred union in support of crime, involving parties from the center by their indifference. Why has a pro-criminal lobby been created in Switzerland, lead by a left without a project and electoral ideas?
La réponse est hélas simple. Qui veut plus de criminalité et plus de criminels veut en réalité un cortège grandissant d'assistants sociaux, éducateurs, et autres psycho-sociologues en tous genres. Ces personnes, qui dorloteront à grande frais la minorité "opprimée par l'UDC" des grands criminels, votent bien entendu en majorité à gauche. Leur multiplication permet en outre à cette dernier d'assurer la croissance d'un État déjà obèse, en faisant croître la taille des services sociaux d'assistance aux criminels, aux frais des contribuables. The answer is sadly simple. Those who want more crime and more criminals want in fact a growing number of social workers, educators, and other psycho-sociological workers of all kinds. These people, who at great expense pamper a minority of major criminals "oppressed by the UDC/SVP", vote of course in majority on the left. Their proliferation also allows the latter to ensure the growth of an already bloted state, by increasing the size of social services assistance to criminals, at the expense of taxpayers.
Les parties du centre se voilent la face à cette hausse de la criminalité: le PDC et les libéraux-radicaux sont partisans d'une adhésion à l'UE. Un taux suisse de criminalité qui se rapproche des taux européens les arrange dans leur volonté de mouler votre vie quotidienne dans normes européennes. Parts of the center work to hide this rising crime: the PDC and libéraux-radicaux are in favor of EU membership. A Swiss rate of crime that is moving closer to European rates suits them in their efforts to mold your life into European standards.
Et les victimes, me direz-vous? Les victimes n'ont qu'à se taire et à payer plus d'impôts pour financer la croissance de l'assistance à la criminalité! And the victims, you ask me? The victims simply shut up and pay more taxes to fund the growth of assistance to crime!
Cependant, la majorité silencieuse de la population, qui ne supporte plus, elles, les viols, le trafic d'êtres humains, les assassinats, les actes de violence, le trafic de drogues et autres crimes graves, se réveille. Le résultat de la récolte de signatures de notre initiative pour le renvoi des criminels étrangers en sera le premier signe. Le deuxième signe sera le score que réalisera l'UDC au soir du 21 octobre. However, the silent majority of the population, which does not support more, rape, human trafficking, murder, violence, drug trafficking and other serious crimes, wakes up. The result of our initiative to gather signatures for the dismissal of criminal foreigners will be the first sign. The second sign is the electoral results achieved by the UDC/SVP on the evening of October 21.
Electeurs! Voters!
Si vous rejetez le crime, votez UDC! If you reject crime, votez UDC/SVP!
Si vous ne voulez pas payer plus d'impôts pour que l'Etat s'occupe encore plus des criminels et encore moins des victimes, votez UDC If you do not want to pay more taxes for the state to dedicate yet more resources to criminals and even fewer to victims, vote UDC/SVP
Pour une Suisse plus sûre, votez UDC! For a more secure Switzerland, votez UDC!
Liberté ou socialisme, il faut choisir! Liberty or socialism, we must choose!
La lutte pour la liberté des citoyens suisses a commence il y a plus des 700 ans. Mais cette lutte n'est jamais gagnée: se reposer sur ses lauriers et renoncer à assumer la responsabilité de ses actes seraient des erreurs graves. Si nous optons pour le chemin de l'intégration à l'Union européenne, nous empruntons en tant que pays parmi tant d'autres un chemin socialiste qui va chercher à tout uniformiser. Mais nous voulons que notre pays redevienne, grâce aux prestations exceptionnelles de ses citoyens, un exemple de libéralisme et par conséquent un case particulier. C'est pourquoi nous revenons au fondement le plus important de l'idée helvétique de l'Etat: à la liberté!
(Cristoph Blocher)
The struggle for freedom of Swiss citizens began more than 700 years ago. But this struggle will never be won: to rest on our laurels and fail to take responsibility for our actions would be serious mistakes. If we opt for the path of integration into the European Union, we take as a country among many others a socialist path that will seek to standardize everything. But we want our country to become once again, thanks to the exceptional performance of its citizens, an example of liberalism, and therefore a particular case. That is why we return to the most important foundation of the Swiss idea of the state: to freedom!
(Christoph Blocher)
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2007 at 08:05:12 AM EST
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The mind boggles. is there some leftist uniform for us to wear in this propaganda?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2007 at 08:17:39 AM EST
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It seems as if they took a card out of Sarkozy's playbook. Is there an increase in crime statistics that 'justifies' this paranoia?
by Fete des fous on Sat Oct 20th, 2007 at 01:38:43 PM EST
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That is unbelievable. I just don't know what else to say.
Are people really buying this?
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 04:07:15 AM EST
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Unfortunately, yes, to the tune of about 27%... It's very strange. They hypothesise a bizarre conspiracy of leftist social workers etc. as promoting crime because it employs them? This party is not just racist-insane, they are just plain insane all over.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 06:29:12 AM EST
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