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OK, so then again you agree that there are no principal difference between private and state employment and that it is equally horrible. So why should then the state people retire earlier?

The traditional argument is that generally state employees have a lower income over the extent of their lifetime, so that an earlier retirement is one of the few perks that gets people to sign up for the jobs in the first place, and so helps keep the cost to the state at relatively low levels.

I prefer to negotiation myself. Especially if it's between the union and the state-owned corporation. State-owned corporations have a tendency to be filled with people from the political left. And, whaddayouknow, so does the union. The result is that there are close buddies on both sides. Which in turn is one major reason why people in public service tend to have lower pay than similar jobs in the private sector.

Well you may prefer to negotiate yourself, but why should your employer negotiate with you? Unless your job is absolutely individual this will create nothing but problems for them. Firstly, if  each member of staff negotiates their own deal, then the company has to run each contract past their lawyers and how much money would that add up to that could be going on staff wages.

The vast left wing conspiracy to keep staff wages low is a bit of a reach too.

So why on earth should the union and the state negotiate over something that in fact almost only affects me?

So you want to take advantage of all of the work of previous generations of union activists who have campaigned and struck and gone without wages to bargain to actually get  the pension in the first place, and now its accepted you wish to run out and  to get the best deal and fuck everyone else?

you can argue that it dosn't only effect you, without  a large group of employees banding together whats to stop the employer gradually getting rid of its pension payments, as the government will take up the slack with the state pension?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 23rd, 2007 at 07:43:54 PM EST
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