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The Solar Impulse in its final version is designed to have a wingspan of about 80m (i.e. equal to the wingspan of an A380) while its take-off weight should be 2ton or less (the A380 by comparison with the ability to carry 550 passengers has a take-off weight of 560ton). Oh, and given the low power availability from the sun (about 12PS or equal to the Kitty Hawk Wright Brothers first machine) constrains the take-off speed to 45mph and a max air speed at 39.000ft altitude to about 80mph.

Making that long and thin wing is really amazing yet I would not want to go close to bad turbulence riding on it :-)

Orthodoxy is not a religion.

by BalkanIdentity (balkanid _ at _ google.com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2007 at 07:57:11 AM EST
A few years ago, th solar impulse people wre talking with my university about potential cooperation. I'm not sure if anything came from it, but in the meantime we did a student project making a rough design for such an aircraft. The Solar impulse manager already mentioned our design had very similar parameters to what they were thinking of, and indeed, the numbers you mention here sound familiar. ( I guess I am a bit proud of that)

So assuming this design is somewhat similar to ours in more respects than just these numbers, I can make some educated guesses on the project.

Our design needed a lot of batteries, something like 40% of total weight if I remember correct. That means   you have even less weight to build the wing. In fact we gave the aircraft a 'gravity battery', letting it climbs 10 kilometer during the day while gliding downwards at night. The high altitudes their site mentions suggest they have similar plans, but I am not sure about that. ( they might also just fly high to go faster).

As their site mentions, you will need wings made of only a few tenth of a millimeter material thickness.
The main reason you can do this is that the wing is mostly carrying itself. In a normal aircraft, the wing produces lift that counteracts the weight of the fuselage, so there is a distance between the application of the load and the lift force. This creates a bending effect that is usually the heaviest load on the structure.

However, in this design most of the weight is in the wings themselves, and the solar panels on top and the batteries divided in it. In a sense, you can imagine a short-winged aircraft whose wings are carrying the fuselage, and then add extra wing at the tips that only carries itself and the solar panels on top. If you look at the Helios unmanned aircraft, it had the same effect even stronger ( it didn't have a fuselage at all).

In the exercise, we had to assume very positive figures to make it work at all ( that is, extremely strong and stiff materials, the best solar panels and batteries, the best engines, extremely tuned aerodynamics). My personal opinion was that we had no margin at all left, and therefore really not a viable design.

So, I am really looking forward to see if they can make this work. It would definitly stretch the limits of what is possible.

by GreatZamfir on Fri Nov 16th, 2007 at 11:17:59 AM EST
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On  another point, we also estimated it would cost a small fortune. We said 25 million, based on some very crude guesses, but their manager Borschberg didn't want to comment on this number. I suspect it may well be too low.
by GreatZamfir on Fri Nov 16th, 2007 at 11:27:09 AM EST
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Thank you for the information!

The current budget is $60M for the first prototype phase so your estimate was (as is usually the case) on the low side.

This is such an interesting project -- of course it is not the holy grail in aviation but it can provide inspiration. Your university might have been lost a chance there :-)

Orthodoxy is not a religion.

by BalkanIdentity (balkanid _ at _ google.com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2007 at 04:27:51 PM EST
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