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I'm trying to get my head around the practicalities of enforcing that rule...

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2007 at 06:17:13 PM EST
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Would not that conflict with free movement of people?

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From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA or even the EU. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most benefits of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that full member states enjoy. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Nov 8th, 2007 at 08:12:58 PM EST
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Migeru, I think this would not affect you. As far as I know this is only for asylum seekers. It seems every canton has to take in a certain amount of asylum seekers, so that not a few places like Zürich or Geneva end up having to deal with all of them.

It is usually the community that handles the process of integrating them. They organize and pay for language courses, they pay at the beginning for the living expenses, they help with finding work and if they do not earn enough money they are supported from that community.

I have two friends who were asylum seekers, it was frustrating for them - because it takes approx. 4-5 years to get a B-permission, which allows them to move freely all over Switzerland. However, one of them has now his own company and the other a good job. They are well integrated, speak German and understand Swiss German and they always had the financial support. No Asylum seeker ends up on the street with no roof over the head or no food, like we read the other day about the UK.

It seems to be a very burocratic system, and probably more could be done to make it more human, but some of the problems might stem from the cantons and communities being responsible for the integration process and not the federal state.

I think if you would move to Geneva for a company the will apply for you for a B-permission, so that should be no problem.

by Fran on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 01:27:47 AM EST
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I don't know excatly how it is handled now for EU citizens, but with that new agreement you probably get the B-permission automatically.
by Fran on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 01:38:48 AM EST
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Well, if you have a French licence plate ending in 74 (the number for the département of Hauter Savoie which is next to Geneva), you'd better have a really good reason to be in Geneva late at night - and crossing the border.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 03:25:43 AM EST
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A great number of people working in Geneva have their residence in France, either around Ferney-Voltaire or around Annemasse. That's mainly because housing prices are quite high in Geneva. And they have no problem commuting everyday.

Geneva is a nice city, not as lively as London or Paris, but with a big international community mainly made of people working in the many international institutions and organisations which have their siege there.

Annecy is a wonderful place to go to, but the housing prices are sky high.

The country around Geneva is beautiful, and if you like skiing, it's the right place. Lyon is only 1h30 to 2h away by car or train and it takes between 4h and 5h to go to the south of France and the Mediterranean.

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by Melanchthon on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 04:14:55 AM EST
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Since 1 June of this year, there is no restriction on free movement anymore for people from EU-15 (+Iceland, Norway and Liechstenstein). The last restrictions will be lifted in 2014 for people from "new" Europe.
See this for more info on Geneva and bilateral treaties (only french).

In june 2009, there will be a referendum on these bilateral treaties. With the recent gains of SVP /UDC (nationalist right party) in Switzerland, I fear what the issue could be.

by Hansvon on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 04:39:20 AM EST
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The treaties are a two-way street. If the Swiss repeal them, they will feel it more than the EU states.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 05:08:09 AM EST
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The last restrictions will be lifted in 2014 for people from "new" Europe.

Are you telling me that Barbara won't be allowed to move freely within Switzerland?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 05:31:23 AM EST
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DT > Bilatérales > Libre circulation des personnes
L'accord sur la libre circulation des personnes a été étendu aux 10 nouveaux Etats membres de l'UE (Chypre, Estonie, Hongrie, Lettonie, Lituanie, Malte, Pologne, République tchèque, Slovaquie, Slovénie) grâce à une quinzaine d'accords le 1er mai 2006.


La Suisse pourra maintenir jusqu'en 2011 des restrictions à l'accès à son marché du travail  vis-à-vis de 8 des 10 nouveaux Etats membres de l'UE (Estonie, Hongrie, Lettonie, Lituanie, Pologne, République tchèque, Slovaquie, Slovénie). Elle maintiendra la priorité des travailleurs déjà intégrés sur le marché du travail, le contrôle a priori des conditions de travail ainsi que le contingentement des permis.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 05:37:46 AM EST
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