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So the best counter to consumerism and perceived Islamic barbarism (some of which is real, some of which is a mirage) is to encourage (Judeo-)Christian [1] barbarism? That does not strike me as an exceptionally wise move. To use a polite turn of phrase.

- Jake

[1] The term 'Judeo-Christian' is in itself an interesting construct, but I'll defer a discussion of the etymology and political use of that term to someone more knowledgeable about the subject than I (and possibly another diary where it would be less of a threadjack).

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 02:43:14 PM EST
There's a lot of phony history in the construction of Muslims as religious radicals.

I would point you to Sarajevo before 1990, Beirut in the 1960s, Tehran and Baghdad in the 1960s.

Many cities with heavy Islamic traditions were liberal and cosmopolitan centers. What changed?

Once again I fear religion is being used to divide people for the economic benefit of elites. It would be interesting to see how religion cuts across the class war, by dividing potentially potent lower classes.

I do recognize that there are indeed radicalizing forces, chief among them the Saudis who spend a great deal of money pushing their limited view of the world. But their theories seem to take root wherever resentment already exists.

by Upstate NY on Tue Dec 11th, 2007 at 08:47:54 PM EST
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I would point you to Sarajevo before 1990, Beirut in the 1960s, Tehran and Baghdad in the 1960s.

Indeed. And you could probably add Cairo to your list, at least during some periods of the 20th century.

But there's also a lot of phony history in the view of Islam as clean as the driven snow. On balance, I think you'll find it hard to argue that Islam is better or worse than Christianity. Which, OTOH, is not exactly a recommendation...

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 04:07:32 PM EST
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