Cynicism unconcealed | 23 comments (23 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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Fourth, how are you supposed to opress anyones human rights with a fighter bomber? If the French were selling machetes, tear gas or torture manuals, there might be reasons for worry and complaint.

Will this do as an example?

Chapter : Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

Falsehood #4: Israeli Intelligence is able to pin-point so-called "terrorist bases" as targets for air strikes.
The truth: The communiques of the Israeli Air Force itself mostly claim that air strikes were against merely "suspected" terrorist sites. This is as absurd as bombing a town or village because someone who may have committed an act of violence might be living somewhere in the town or village.
Falsehood # 5: Israeli air strikes are only "retaliatory" actions because of terrorist acts.
The truth: Most Israeli air strikes have been unrelated to armed action by Palestinians, but have been designed solely to "make life unbearable" for the Palestinian civilian population. In cases where air strikes followed an armed Palestinian action, the Israeli Air Force's targets were civilian population centers with no relationship to the men involved in the action for which the "retaliation" allegedly took place.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Dec 18th, 2007 at 06:00:40 PM EST
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And how is that relevant for France selling Rafales to Libya? You still can't oppress people with fighter bombers. They are war machines. Israel is fighting a low intensity war against the palestinians.

Now, let's say the Israelis wanted to buy Rafales. Should France deny it? Nope. If they don't the Israelis will buy American instead (which they do anyway, but still).

Results are the only thing that matter. Of course, France could turn not selling Rafales to Israel into a big political issue, shaming Israel. Then it would be a relevant thing to do.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 03:24:31 AM EST
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Are you seriously trying to claim that a weapon you can threaten to kill people with cannot be a tool of opression?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 06:06:55 AM EST
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If you want to opress people you don't do it with a Rafale. You use those for killing people in sophisticated ways.

If you want opression, sticks and guns are far more efficient.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 at 12:45:06 PM EST
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What's that called in your planet?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Dec 20th, 2007 at 11:13:38 AM EST
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War.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Thu Dec 20th, 2007 at 07:15:23 PM EST
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Cynicism unconcealed | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)