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One of the problems with millenialism is that death, of the individual or the society, is not a major concern. They've got heaven as a goal, or paradise.

Nukes are the probable endgame in this conflict you would withdraw from. China, Russia, and India have them, but each of them has a reason to use them, and their existence alone make them likely to be used in time of conflict.

I left them out because they seem a little less driven by craziness, and a little more by pragmatism.

I was just reading an old blog, from June of 2001, about the prospects for the reforming of world politics into a cleaner brighter dream. September 11 2001 threw a monkey wrench into that, but I'm not giving up.

Apparently, you're not either, since you're here...

Align culture with our nature. Ot else!

by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Thu Mar 1st, 2007 at 09:16:15 PM EST
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Oh, I gave up a long time ago.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 at 04:44:16 AM EST
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No you didn't!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 at 01:38:23 PM EST
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what a thouht-provoking comment, thanks.

i always felt the so-called 'communist' states were perhaps extra brutal and inhuman because they had lost the civilising effects of religion for a few generations, you made me wonder if their collective seperation from religion possibly made them less fanatical fighters.

sure they were indoctrinated with some equally irrational premises as claim most religions, but at the end of the day, if there is no pie in the sky, will a man risk laying down his life so readily?

does it perhaps make him more cunning, as he's no longer distracted by time spent scrying runes, deciphering theologies, or reading the future in sheeps' innards, crystal balls, tarot cards or tea leaves.

he can keep his eye on the ball...

how to get what he wants with the least friction.

pragmatism over craziness, i'll take it.

but is there another kind of craziness that ensues when you try to deny the religious impulse through force and try chanelling it into worshipping the ideal state, or the dear leader?

or is the religious impulse a left-over vestige of something archaic, like a coccyx?

or is it the pavlovian response to millennia of indoctrination by the various religions that have swayed our virgin belief-systems so often and drastically that we feel empty if we try to replace 'it' with 'pure reason', or 'science', or shopping, or videogames for that matter

that's what i wonder.

and yes i still do believe too, and indeed 9/11 may well be one of the signs and wonders presaging the grand finale of a whole era of human existence, as is climate change...

2012, said the mayans...

see what happened in Enterprise, Alabama yesterday?

if i was a reader of signs i would be seeing this last bout of usa storms as a warning not to fuck with iran, but my imagination was always a bit weird...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 at 05:50:48 PM EST
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Have to get some work done. Will reply at length after dark.

Align culture with our nature. Ot else!
by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 at 06:57:05 PM EST
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from it I'd like to comment that I see the possibility to early educate that endless why into some psychologically useful wisdom early on in childhood education.

I'll do a diary on "Religious Education as Child Abuse". Maybe here in Eurotrib it will get a reasoned reception. In the USA, the only madrassas we recognize are Muslim ones overseas. We don't see OUR Sunday schools as religious indoctrination, and most of us can't see the weird effects of stuffing the little Why Hole with myths.

I'd like to fill it with Carl Sagan and billions and billions of stars...more planetariums and fewer deities.

Align culture with our nature. Ot else!

by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 at 01:47:13 AM EST
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