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Most of these similarities aren't really similarities at all, beyond the simple 'not Christian'. Furthermore, given that Islam, like Christianity but unlike Judaism is a proselytising religion, there's going to be a natural rivalry.  

Support for Israel has little to do with religion per se. US evangelicals justify their support through religion, but they do so with all their views. Instead it has to do with Western vs. non Western - Israel's dominant culture is that of the Ashkenazim - i.e. of a European cultural group, There's the Cold War legacy, the guilt over the Holocaust and more broadly the Western tradition of anti-semitism, made more relevant by the taking up of Western antisemitism by many Arabs, and the general tendency to support states over non-states except when the state in question is strongly antagonistic to Western countries (the only exception to that in recent times that I can think of is East Timor).

by MarekNYC on Fri Mar 30th, 2007 at 11:54:01 AM EST
When it comes to American support for Israel specifically, you forgot to mention the Israel lobby. (For an excellent article relating the Lobby to Judaism, see From Esther to AIPAC.)

But all of your points are excellent. I responded to the proselytization issue in my reply to NordicStorm above.

I was aware when I wrote this that what I listed aren't necessarily real similarities. (Male circumcision however is male circumcision, regardless of whether it is a Jew or a Muslim who does it.) What I was trying to get across is that to me as someone who was raised in the Christian tradition, Judaism is every bit as strange and alien as Islam. In some respects, Islam is less alien than Judaism. Islam at least recognizes that Christ spoke God's word, even if it denies his divinity. Furthermore, Islam recognizes that God is God for everyone, whereas according to Judaism (and to a lesser extent the dispensational premillenialist variety of Christian fundamentalism), God really only cares about Jews. I find the idea that God would have a special interest in a particular ethnic group utterly bizarre and pre-modern.

When it comes to Islam, I am bothered by the current Western tendency to see it as an Other. I miss the days when a group like Siouxsie and the Banshees could employ Arabian motifs in their music, and everybody thought it was cool.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Fri Mar 30th, 2007 at 02:39:16 PM EST
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(Male circumcision however is male circumcision, regardless of whether it is a Jew or a Muslim who does it.)

Or a Christian, Hindu, Atheist or whatever.

Don't worry, all the religions are equally strange and alien.

I miss the days when a group like Siouxsie and the Banshees could employ Arabian motifs in their music, and everybody thought it was cool.

But that music was based exactly on embracing some sense of being the other. Part of the point of the Goth/Punk/WhateverLabelFits thing, as far as I can work out.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 30th, 2007 at 02:47:47 PM EST
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Isn't embracing some sense of being the other an essential part of being human? A way of recognizing and affirming our common humanity?

So why is Goth/Punk "alternative" and not mainstream?

I think this is related to my point about religion not having a role in public life in the West, which I make in reply to a post by wchurchill below.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Fri Mar 30th, 2007 at 03:16:38 PM EST
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Isn't embracing some sense of being the other an essential part of being human? A way of recognizing and affirming our common humanity?

You're joking right? The point of most (popular/folk) religion seems to be precisely excluding the other.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 30th, 2007 at 03:33:46 PM EST
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You're probably right. That's one reason why I'll choose goth music over popular religion.

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns
by Alexander on Fri Mar 30th, 2007 at 04:16:42 PM EST
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If you haven't already done this, try the Belief-O-Matic at Beliefnet. The top one or two religions you get might be expected, but you'll be surprised at the order in which other religions are listed for you. ^-^
by lychee on Fri Mar 30th, 2007 at 10:34:23 PM EST
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I just tried it. That was fun. The first surprise was Scientology, which came in at number 13 (53%). I think it's bogus that they included Scientology here, since they didn't ask any questions about aliens.

Interestingly, given the topic of this diary, Orthodox Judaism and Islam are tied at 22 and 23 (26%).

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns

by Alexander on Sat Mar 31st, 2007 at 01:37:50 AM EST
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Heh, my top three were Unitarian Universalism (100%), Liberal Quakers (96%) and Secular Humanism (95%).

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Sat Mar 31st, 2007 at 03:41:17 AM EST
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Yeah, I've taken it a couple of times and both times got Neopagan (100%) and Unitarian (I think that one was 99%).
by lychee on Sat Mar 31st, 2007 at 08:00:09 AM EST
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Mine was about the same: Unitarian Universalism (100%),  Secular Humanism (95%), Neo-Pagan (92%).

A bomb, H bomb, Minuteman / The names get more attractive / The decisions are made by NATO / The press call it British opinion -- The Three Johns
by Alexander on Sat Mar 31st, 2007 at 02:24:00 PM EST
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Secular Humanism 100%, Unitarian Universalism 95%, nontheism 79%, liberal Quakers 76%, neopaganism 70%.
by MarekNYC on Sat Mar 31st, 2007 at 02:33:18 PM EST
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I took this or similar ones a number of times, but all I remember is that often some light theism or religion (UU) came up top. Now:

  1.     Unitarian Universalism  (100%)
  2.     Secular Humanism (98%)
  3.     Theravada Buddhism (95%)
  4.     Liberal Quakers  (84%)
  5.     Neo-Pagan (77%)
  6.     Nontheist (73%)

Heh. Various Christian(-origin) sects (beyond UU and liberal Quakers) range from 66% to 14% (Roman Catholics come in at 16%), Reform Judaism is 50%, the Orthodox variety 23%, 'Islam' (which one?) 21%.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 31st, 2007 at 03:10:53 PM EST
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Interesting (and perhaps not too surprising) that Secular Humanism and Unitarian Universalism would be in the top three for the lot of us.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Apr 2nd, 2007 at 09:12:45 AM EST
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