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As for the numbers themselves I can't really understand what dynamic tipped three age groups toward Royal but radicallized the +65. I can grasp how Royal was more reassuring, last week with a fairly logical discourse geared toward the middle, and how Sarkozy lost the edge by missing out on the action. But i stop there; these aren't reasons to completely change your vote.
As far as the +65 vote, it seems to me to be too far skewed toaward sarkozy to be explained simply by a stereotypical 'more conservative as you get older' argument. It seems to me that the seniors have been fairly ignored during the campaign as an explicit voting group, or, merely, as an interest group. To the best of my knowledge neither royal nor sarkozy have insisted that pensions would remain the same, or be augmented. Since basic interest doesn't explain the vote, I would resort to some more symbolic explainations... but i'd be on shaky grounds. Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
To the best of my knowledge neither royal nor sarkozy have insisted that pensions would remain the same, or be augmented. Since basic interest doesn't explain the vote, I would resort to some more symbolic explainations... but i'd be on shaky grounds.
My guess is that Sarkozy appeals to older people's desire for "law and order" -- for strength, for sécurité.
My sense is that many older people are afraid and have lost faith in the public authorities to keep them safe. And I bet Sarkozy is much more reassuring for them than Royal. Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-823448,36-903432@51-823374,0.html Je veux tourner la page de mai 1968", a lancé Nicolas Sarkozy, en meeting au Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy, dimanche 29 avril. En attaquant sur différents angles, le candidat de l'UMP a fustigé la gauche qui "entre Jules Ferry et mai 1968, a choisi 1968", l'accusant d'avoir prôné "l'assistanat, l'égalitarisme, le nivellement, les 35 heures".
Je veux tourner la page de mai 1968", a lancé Nicolas Sarkozy, en meeting au Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy, dimanche 29 avril. En attaquant sur différents angles, le candidat de l'UMP a fustigé la gauche qui "entre Jules Ferry et mai 1968, a choisi 1968", l'accusant d'avoir prôné "l'assistanat, l'égalitarisme, le nivellement, les 35 heures".
Is this luck? I don't believe so. He directly appeals to the values of order that have characterized the France in which today's +65 have grown up. Order, security, work, the very things that have made de Gaulle. I think he reads France well when he speaks like this. 1968 was traumatic for a lot of people, and linking his fight to that specific event is a very good move. I don't know what Royal can do about this, unfortunately. She has shown a realism that was somewhat unexepected of her, but her 'just order' has been so ridiculed over the past months that she can't really use it anymore. Sarkozy successfully occupies all the scene with a 'let's put France back on tracks' theme that leaves few open spaces.
The problem with the situation she seems to be facing is that she has nothing to gain from continuing to open to the center. If she wants to win she will be forced to talk about security related issues in the coming days. Maybe the best way for her at this point is to start a mea culpa about the PS's responsability in the current state of the Banlieues, and advocate a complete change: giving up the right to difference that hasn't worked and promise to give them jobs, to never build projects like these, etc...
Ok, my bet: she will talk about immigration related issues tomorrow. Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
WTF?!
And I though it was only the lyrical left youth that was living 40 years in the past... Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
What are best reasons for old people to make their choises? I see two options:
A. Taking care of own offsprings. But in the modern best times, there is relatively little hardship of living. Future perspectives can be easily perceived as bright, even too bright. What an eldery person can do to "help" their offsprings? They may rather wish to make life harder.
B. Making a choice for France's future. Seniors may think more of what kind of country is more functional (or just). And here Sarkozy's recognizable order may strike a chord with seniors. Royal's proposals are instrumental rather than narrative, maybe too inovative to be trusted by "saw-it-all" minds.
If these considerations are important, Royal's tactics towards seniors can be adopted as follows:
But why "especially women over 65"? What dynamic is at work that makes women of that generation more than men less likely to accept a woman as president? (Should I say French women of that generation?) Do you suspect a certain vindictive bitterness with respect to the social and political opportunities/freedoms that younger French women of today have that were not available to them when they were in their prime? Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
However, it does suggest one possibility: If socialisation of children happens through the mother more than through the father, then both boys and girls are taught gender roles by what their mother tells them. However, in addition to that, girls have on a day to day basis an up-close example/role model of how to be "women", while boys learn how to be "men" mainly through what their mother tells them, and not as much as daughters by what they pick up from the example of their father, who in this scenario would be presumably less present than the mother. In other words, the close up example of the mother reinforces and fleshes out the female gender role taught by the mother to daughters; but this reinforcement/fleshing out of the male gender roles is much weaker in sons whose father is less involved in their socialisation than the mother. Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
Other (falsifiable) possibility is that conservative women might live longer.
But the particular 75-25 distribution is not explainable by conservatvism of elder women alone.
I'm sure you can find the exact numbers over at INED or at INSEE. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
By sex and age: recent data 65 and over: Total 10,111,093; Male: 4,165,027; Female: 5,910,955
If 14:1 is not "near unanimity", I don't know what is. Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
What percentage of France's 65+ population is female?
65 and over: Total 10,111,093; Male: 4,165,027; Female: 5,910,955 What percentage of France's 65+ population is female?
I think we would have to eliminate the possibility that women or men voted 100% for anybody. That doesn't happen. You've said it's nigh-impossible for women to have split 50-50. It seems likely that one of two things happened: (a) a large majority of women and men voted for Sarkozy, in roughly equal proportions, or (b) a majority of both women and men voted for Sarkozy, but a larger majority of women did.
We have no evidence (that I know of) that (a) is not true, but everyone here seems to be assuming that (b) is the case. It would not surprise me if (b) was in fact true, but I just wanted to note that we do not have the data to support that, and if it's true, we don't know how wide the gap between senior men and senior women was. Without that data, all this speculaton about older women being overwhelmingly more conservative and listening to their priests more is not terribly constructive.
Really, all we know is that a significant majority of older people voted for Sarkozy.
Which I think is rather strange.
Overall, men break 47:53 for Sarkozy, and women 48:52. Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
About here, I think. Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
There are two reasons for this: one the acceptance by women of the social gender norms that it was not for women to take part in decisions in the public sphere; and the other a stronger propensity by women to follow what the Cathilic priests said in their weekly holilies.
Some of the same might be at play here. Including what someone mentioned of not letting a younger woman (Segolene is 53) become the "alpha female" in the matriarchy. Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
It's more associated with political conservatism and the propping up of the fantasy of "Old America" -- family sitting around dinner table, Johnny Carson, Mommy watching kids while Daddy goes to work, and all that other horseshit that conveniently ignores what a hole Old America was compared with modern-day America.
(Elements of it were better, of course, but I'll take Civil Rights and the Internet over the Machine Governments and the Dust Bowl any day, quite honestly.)
It's not unlike the fantasy of The Family FarmerTM that the press loves to play with.
It's, to a degree, action based upon a longing for something that never really existed. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Still, these are devastating figures, whether they're overwhelmingly female or not. It's expecially frightening that Europeans live, like, forever!
With less than 1000 participants in the entire survey the margin of error was about 3%. In subcategories the error is much larger, and this accounts for results being all over the map. This is an unreliable survey in the subcategories.
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