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I don't think you can read about this, it's not part of standard economics.

Direct foreign investment is the flip side of domestic divestment. It's one thing to outsource goods and services to a different country and another to move your production to a different country. In the second case, the domestic economy gets divested. The mechanism is the same that, thought capital movements within one country, leads to economic crisis and unemployment in certain regions while others thrive. Free movement of capital leads to divestment and unemployment and forces nemployed people to move in chase of capital. Within a country there is freedom to move and so the "problem" is people's resistance to uproot themselves. The US has a culture of transience in which people will move large distances without much apparent trouble, but look at the massive migrations from the "dust bowl" to California during the Great Depression.

The question here is this: what is the point of national economic policy, and how do transnational corporations interact with national economic policy?

So, I am not opposed to free trade, and I am not opposed to free movement of capital but 1) if there is free movement of capital, goods and services there has to be free movement of people; 2) if you have free movement of capital you need a redistributive policy encompassing the whole scope of the free movement of capital.

Therefore, the European Union needs to strengthen its economic government. We already have a Central Bank for the Eurozone, and we need a supranational redistributive policy. The neoliberal nationalism that is now in charge of it is going to cause a lot of damage.

Furthermore, globalisation is going to lead either to a thirdworldisation of the developed economies (the gutting of the European welfare states is well under way, under pressure from internationally mobile capital), to a world economic government, or to a backlash and a return to protectionism. Protectionism will take the form of tariffs and barriers to economic migration, but it is unlikely to reverse the liberalisation of capital flows [cross-border "capital flight" used to be a high crime, up there with money laundering, in the 1980's].

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 08:17:17 AM EST
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thought capital movements

through

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 08:18:17 AM EST
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That is, if we cannot maintain absolute advantage in certain sectors where we specialize.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 10:01:24 AM EST
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And so keep the high value-added jobs at home.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 10:02:18 AM EST
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Ah, so free movement of capital transforms the game from comparative advantage to absolute advantage?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 10:15:03 AM EST
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Yes, isn't that right?

Why invest your money where you get a 5 % return if you can invest it where you get a 10 % return?

And if I have understood all this right, even with free movement of capital we have no problem with free trade when Portugal has an absolute advantage for making wine and England an absolute advantage at making cloth. The problems arrive when Portugal is better at both making wine and cloth, the English capital goes to Portugal but the English labourers can't follow. Still the English get both cheaper wine and cloth than without free trade, but that doesn't help much now that they haven't got any income to pay for it, even if it's cheaper.

The whole elegant counterintiutive boon of the comparative advantage of free trade even when Portugal is better than England at everything, goes away.

Pity.

(Or I might have completely misunderstood what you are saying)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 10:23:21 AM EST
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No, you have understood me fine. Now you're ready to drop out from Economics.
Why invest your money where you get a 5 % return if you can invest it where you get a 10 % return?
You see, the only ones that ultimately benefit are those with offshore capital, and those who have an absolute advantage. But a global race to absolute advantage spells the end of cooperation on many levels. It's a dog-eat-dog world and there is no reason for the many who don't have an absolute advantage to agree with the few who do have absolute advantage in something in order to set up a legal [i.e., consensual] framework that reduces economic activity to the endless chase for absolute advantage. In a Ricardian world all you need is a comparative advantage, and everyone more of less) has a comparative advantage. Pity indeed.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 10:36:40 AM EST
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Then we'd better make sure as many as possible get hold of absolute advantages and offshore capital (but isn't all capital pretty much offshore when capital flows freely?).

A vibrant economy and an efficient welfare state, good infastructure etc gets you the absolute advantage and a clever pension system and a capital income tax floor makes sure every labourer is also a capitalist.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 11:08:21 AM EST
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makes sure every labourer is also a capitalist.

You've drunk the cool-aid.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 11:14:07 AM EST
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Actually, I only got wind of Bush et als 'ownership society' after I figured it was a good idea myself.

Off course, they don't like progressive taxation and small income inequalities as much as I do...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 11:53:32 AM EST
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Then we'd better make sure as many as possible get hold of absolute advantages and offshore capital (but isn't all capital pretty much offshore when capital flows freely?).

Ultimately everyone will be in misery except of a few capitalists with their tax residence in offshore tax havens (in Spain we call them "fiscal paradises" ;-) Or we will get a World Economic Government charged with global redistribution, or Free Trade™ will end.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 11:26:38 AM EST
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We call them 'tax paradises', or skatteparadis, and we have allegedly just become one. ;)

And things need not play out like that at all. We tax the rich, maintain reasonable equality, and if they move to tax havens we invade and occupy them. And then we shoot them to send a clear message that not paying your taxes is a crime. Or even worse, as Talleyrand would have said,  a blunder.


Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 12:03:41 PM EST
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Good luck taxing the rich, if you're already a tax paradise.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 12:10:39 PM EST
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Well, everything is relative. Capital taxes here are still sky-high, compared to notorius capital tax-paradises like France.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 12:18:32 PM EST
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Why invest your money where you get a 5 % return if you can invest it where you get a 10 % return?

Because there's more risk associated with the 10% return :).

by Laurent GUERBY on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 11:42:04 AM EST
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Now let's make this even more complicated shall we? ;)

I off course meant risk-adjusted return. :)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sun May 13th, 2007 at 11:55:07 AM EST
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