since "place" and "zone" are conceptually similar, does this translate to "zoning out"?

just had to introduce a slightly lighter note, no matter how feeble...

btw melo, I have recently discovered Sandor Katz's books on the underground food movements and wild fermentation... very exciting reading.  are you already familiar with them?  seems like you might be.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...