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I can't picture Hillary as a reformer, and while Gorby may have been delusional in his believe in the chance of saving the Soviet system by reform, I think Perestroika, but especially Glasnost, were neither cosmetic nor pointless.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 24th, 2007 at 12:10:28 PM EST
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Especially considering the alternative.

I can't picture Hillary as a reformer either. Edwards - maybe. Gore, certainly.

In an extremely lateral way, Obama somehow reminds me of Khruschev. (Even though the natural match for Khruschve would be Bush.)

I sense a nasty but hidden ambition there, perfectly camouflaged by an ability to fit into a given political system.

Gore might well turn into Gorby, capable of engineering a relatively soft landing. (Especially considering the alternative.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 24th, 2007 at 04:43:26 PM EST
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I agree with Lupin that Bush is more like Brezhnev (maybe Clinton was like Khrushchev?)

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 25th, 2007 at 05:53:57 AM EST
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I'll withdraw "cosmetic" but my definition of "pointlerss" is that ultimately perestroika became irrelevant and was entirely replaced by a new system. I'm not saying it didn't have a role to play in getting there, but it ultimately didn't survive as a separate regime.

If we equal Brish to Brezhnev as the manifestaytion of the old, corrupt kleptocratic and imperial US of A, then cleatly the transitional phases that Russia wernt through were:

  • Andropov: more of the same;
  • Chernenko: more of the same II;
  • Gorbachev: attempt at reform; failed
  • Yeltsin: regime collapse / new regime

I see the current Dems offering a choice between Andropov et Gorbachev, that is to say, something doomed to fail -- though it might be a necessary transitional period.
by Lupin on Fri May 25th, 2007 at 05:20:50 AM EST
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Hmm, everything that is "ultimately unsuccessful" is "pointless"?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 25th, 2007 at 05:51:44 AM EST
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