Scottish Elections 2007: SNP makes large gains. | 18 comments (18 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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So, what happens if the irregularities are deemed significant enough (and they seem rather significant to me)? Would there be a procedure for declaring the results invalid and calling for a new election?

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 04:58:37 AM EST

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No.

The UK is USA-Lite, so there will be some tutting and some huffing and puffing, no one will mention hanging chads, the count will be verified and the SNP won't get an overall majority.

If someone important gets really excited about this, there will be an enquiry, which will make recommendations, which will mostly be ignored.

I'm slightly baffled as to why 100,000 people decided to spoil their papers.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 05:28:47 AM EST
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I think a few deliberately spoiled papers. Most probably just got it wrong.

I'm interested in who gets into bed with who.

The LibDems say they'll talk to the ones who get the most seats, and that looks like a close call right now..

My bet is on an SNP/Lib Dem "partnership" possibly plus Greens.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 05:32:03 AM EST
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I found my postal ballot - we no longer have a polling station in the area - almost incomprehensible.

The chances of the proverbial pensioner being able to make sense of it seemed minimal.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 05:39:11 AM EST
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we no longer have a polling station in the area

You've got to be kidding me.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 05:44:47 AM EST
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There are 27 houses and something like 50 people in this hamlet, including maybe 10 kids of non-voting age.

I don't object to a postal ballot if the logistics make it poor value. But I do mind if the postal process is overcomplicated.

Is it gerrymandering or incompetence? Hard to say. The case for the prosecution is that move to postal voting was introduced after the council gained a solid Tory majority. And the form really was designed incredibly badly.

But for the defence, the main towns still have polling stations, and I'd guess the votes from a few villages won't swing a seat unless voting is extremely close - which it usually isn't out here.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 09:33:21 AM EST
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Same here, We have to travel to the next village to vote. For some strange reason theres a lump in our county border which is the opposite side of the river to the rest of the county so we all have to travel to the local hall next to the bridge in the centre, even togh there areother halls which are closer. If the polling station was in our vilage, then people a hundred yards from the hall would still have a three mile trip to their polling station, as they are in a seperate county.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 12:26:00 PM EST
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Is it not possible to have court challenges in those constituencies where the majority is narrowed than the number of spoilt ballots?

Is it not possible to challenge the party-list seats if the number of spoilt ballots is larger than the margin by which the last seat was allocated?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 05:36:48 AM EST
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I don't know. But if it is, I suspect it's expensive and not something to be done casually without impressive financial backing.

My (unresearched) understanding is that the returning officer's word is final. Candidates can demand a recount if the result is very close - and sometimes do - but a court challenge is unlikely.

I don't remember such a thing happening in the UK.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 05:44:43 AM EST
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I think that to get a re-vote, you would have to show some form of active electoral fraud. If the spoilt ballots were shown to be otherwise almost entirely votes from one party, or all to be from one particular area which would tend to vote in a particular way. If you just showed that a percentage of voters were confused by the ballot papers, then the courts aren't likely to go for it. After all what party would want to go to court and claim that their supporters are unfairly disadvantaged because they are stupid?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 08:22:45 AM EST
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If the same rules apply as for Westminster elections, mistakes by the Returning Officer which might have affected the result can lead to a new election. There was a famous election in Winchester where the LibDem victory, with a majority of two, was set aside and a new vote held.

However there is no provision for re-voting because electors misunderstood the instructions.

This will of course be used as an excuse to attack the principle of proportional representation. Perhaps the lesson should be that we should adopt one system of PR and use it for all elections instead of having a different one for each type of election (especially if more than one is used on the same day).

by Gary J on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 12:03:28 PM EST
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Perhaps the lesson should be that we should adopt one system of PR and use it for all elections instead of having a different one for each type of election...

When first read I expanded "PR" to "Public Relations."

The sentence works either way, I suppose, depending on one's basic snark level.

;-)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 12:11:27 PM EST
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What is this public relations of which you speak? For electoral reformers PR means only proportional representation.

by Gary J on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 01:15:47 PM EST
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Only that my brain has been destroyed by too many marketing meetings.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 01:26:30 PM EST
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Scottish Elections 2007: SNP makes large gains. | 18 comments (18 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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