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Marx shared with conventional economics the assumption that all Value is created by Labour, and that Capital itself is not productive.

All economies are barter economies - it is the use of "split barter" or "time to pay"/ credit that gives rise to a monetary system - which is the "working" capital of circulating "Value" or "Money's Worth".

"Capital" itself - accumulated "wealth"- requires Property rights and the Property relationship between the Subject individual and the Object eg land, machinery, or other assets.

We are accustomed to think that "Property" is an object, but it is in fact a relationship. Similarly Money is not a (bank-created debt) Object but a relationship.

I am pointing out that it is possible by using "Open" Corporates such as the UK Limited Liability Partnership to provide mutualised forms of credit on the one hand, and "Capital" on the other.

These applications of "Open" Corporates are even now emerging independently of any work I might be doing (and I am doing a lot)- I am observing the increasing use of this new - optimal - legal form and believe that I can add considerable value using it.

The outcome of "Open" Capital is essentially a "Cooperative" form of Capital where there is no requirement to make returns to "rentiers".

The "Cooperative Advantage" lies in this freedom from paying returns to rentiers.

There is no "Profit" and no "Loss" within a partnership, merely the creation and exchange of "value" in all its forms - and of course bank-created credit is not a form of Value but - as Marx identified - a legal claim over Value he called "Finance Capital"

The other form of Finance Capital is the legal claim over Value which is that toxic legal protocol we know as the "Joint Stock Limited Liability Corporation".

This form of "asset-based" finance was all Marx knew of course, and all we know. But in fact there are at least two other forms of legal vehicle or "wrapper" we may use to invest in producticve assets.

I believe that this reinvention of the Corporate, allows us to literally reinvent Capital, and I observe that this process has already begun in the commercial world because it works.

My optimistic view is that those enterprises - public, private: and whatever the "aim" (commercial, social, charitable) - who do not use the "Open" Corporate form to raise their necessary capital, are at a disadvantage to those who do.

The pre-condition for "emergence" is just such a comparative advantage, and I beleieve that the system has already begun to consume itself, in a process of "partnerisation" and Internet-driven direct connection/ disintermediation I call "Napsterisation"  

"Open" Capital is therefore already commencing the necessary quiet revolution, and demonstrates, merely by existing, the flaws in conventional economic assumptions.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 04:26:59 AM EST
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Marx shared with conventional economics the assumption that all Value is created by Labour, and that Capital itself is not productive.

Was Leontieff a conventional economist? Because his input-output model clearly lends itself to a definition of productivity in which everything is productive to some degree.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 04:47:07 AM EST
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Not sure about Leontieff.

I have been interested for some time in "Binary Economics" and the work of Kelso and his followers.

Kelso actually had some success in relation to widening of capital ownership in US corporations through ESOP's.

But beyond this Binary Economics falls down in the difficulty of the transition.

To me, Binary Economics is analogous to Newtonian Cosmology - ie the Earth of Labour revolves around the Sun of Capital, rather than vice versa.

Conventional and Marxist economics are still stuck in an anthropocentric paradigm, regrettably.

Firstly, as Einstein had it, I believe that it is all relative.

ie neither Capital nor Labour is central - since "Money" and Property" are relationships - so that it is the relationship between Subject (Labour) and Object (Capital assets) that is productive, as opposed to Labour or Capital individually.

Secondly, we need to go beyond Newtonian absolutes and look at the role of Time in these relationships in a new way.

This is where what I call "Open" Capital (ie the use of Capital for an INDEFINITE period - you share revenues or production for as long as you use the Capital) transcends the dichotomy in existing forms of Capital between the Absolute/Infinite (eg Equity, and Freehold land) and the Absolute/Finite (eg debt, leasehold land)


"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 12:01:03 PM EST
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Firstly, as Einstein had it, I believe that it is all relative.

Huh? Einstein's theory of relativity is about what is absolute and independent of the observer. The theory shows that space and time are relative but it does not purport or intend to show that all is relative.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 05:44:09 PM EST
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What is binary economics.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 05:45:11 PM EST
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_economics

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 06:59:00 PM EST
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We are accustomed to think that "Property" is an object, but it is in fact a relationship. Similarly Money is not a (bank-created debt) Object but a relationship.

And so, indeed, value is a relationship as well.  And this is the problem Marx called "alienation," because under capitalism we are producing things for their value -- by which he meant market value -- and so our labor is no longer our own.

The alternative relationship Marx proposed was that of "worth" or use-value.  One can see how this relationship forms the cornerstone of the Ecosocialist Manifesto.

"Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

by Cassiodorus on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 12:31:32 PM EST
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Indeed Value is a relationship.

It was E C Riegel who referred to Value as "the Relativity of Desire".

The problem is that we insist on trying to define the indefinable, confusing "price" (market value) with "value".

Wilde's definition of a Cynic is relevant here.

"Someone who knows the Price of everything and the Value of nothing"

It is the question of the metaphysical assumptions which underpin Economics which is at the heart of the problem.

I build upon Pirsig's "Metaphysics of Quality" (which I call a "Metaphysics of Value" - since Quality, Value, God .....it's all One - or, at least, Not Two!) in order to ask better questions of Reality, and to provide assumptions better able to inform Economics..

So, yes indeed, Value is definable ONLY in relative terms, and by reference to a "Value Unit".

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 01:21:22 PM EST
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The problem is that we insist on trying to define the indefinable, confusing "price" (market value) with "value".

Marx got around this by distinguishing value (exchange-value) from worth (use-value).  His distinction makes more sense in German than in English.

A price is merely an example of exchange-value located at a particular time and place.

"Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

by Cassiodorus on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 05:36:34 PM EST
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