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I work on computing VaR for equity derivative portfolios in a bank. My neighbour is working on a prototype engine to tackle large deviations. Unfortunately, this is still based on Gaussian Copulas and "sum of gaussian approximations", because gaussians enable nice linear parametric VAR computations which is:
  1. about the only one we can compute daily with existing computing power (I guess this is the same everywhere: it's just one giant matrix multiplication, and this is very efficient)
  2. the only one that you can explain nicely by projecting the VAR on the risk factors (otherwise, you cannot have a "dashboard" to steer the activity of your traders in order to contain your risk within set bounds).

And he still has a lot of trouble with his models. Like mig says, there are few large deviations to calibrate the stuff, and Gauss does indeed work well day to day (as proven by backtesting over periods without krachs). It's only when things get real bad that you see your quantile was wrong (about to know pretty soon I guess).

Mandelbrot claimed that scaling laws where better than Gauss, can be calibrated, and incur manageable computing costs, but I don't think anyone has looked into it on the industry-scale. I'll dig a link

Pierre

by Pierre on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 09:20:26 AM EST
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gurus get risk all wrong

Specially impressive is the centenial chart of stock markt without 10 largest daily changes. Note they tend to be seriously down-biased.

Pierre

by Pierre on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 09:27:04 AM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 12:28:17 PM EST
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I think you should be able to do "nice linear parametric [...] computations" with any member of the exponential family (of which the Gaussian is the best-known example).

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 09:28:28 AM EST
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Well, I'm not familiar with the generalized exponential distribution framework, but from the primer referenced by the Wikipedia (bold mine):

For most insurance applications, we would expect a decreasing unit hazard functton. That is, as we move to higher and higher layers, the chance of a partial loss would decrease. For instance, if we consider a layer such as $10,000,000 xs $990,000,000 we would expect that any loss above $990,000,000 would almost certainly be a full-limit loss. This would imply h (y) ~ 0.

The decreasing hazard function is not what we generally find in the exponential family. For the Normal and Poisson, the hazard function approaches 1, implying that full-limit losses become less likely on higher layers - exactly the opposite of what our understanding of insurance phenomena would suggest. The Negative Binomial, Gamma and Inverse Gaussian distributions asymptotically approach constant amounts, mimicking the behavior of the exponential distribution


The table below shows the asymptotic behavior as we move to higher attachment points
for a layer of width w.









DistributionLimiting Form of h (y)Comments
Normallim h(y) = 1No loss exhausts the limit
Poissonlim h (),) = I
Negative Bmomiallim h,(y) = I - ( I - p ) "
Gammalim h(y) = I-e "''°'~'
Inverse Gausstanlim h(y) = I-e -''a°''~
Lognormallim h(v) = 0Every loss ts a full-limit loss

From this table, we see that the members of the natural exponential family have tail behavior that does not fully reflect the potential for extreme events in high casualty insurance. It would seem that the natural exponential distributions used with GLM are more appropriate for insurance lines without much potential for extreme events or natural catastrophes.

Sorry the layout is crappy, had to rework an OCR-ed pdf.
But the general idea seems to be that if it's linear, then you don't have a fat tail. I don't know if there is any kind of proof of this or of something heuristically similar (I'm by no mean a statistician)

Pierre

by Pierre on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 09:58:04 AM EST
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by Pierre on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 09:28:54 AM EST
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about the only one we can compute daily with existing computing power (I guess this is the same everywhere: it's just one giant matrix multiplication, and this is very efficient)

I could suggest a correction to this in public, but then I'd have to kill you ;-)

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 09:34:38 AM EST
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Now this gets interesting...

Do you suggest that there are places where the computing power is much greater than the average bank (that I know, my previous job had more computing power than meteo france and the french dod combined, my new place is a lot more frugal), or that your fund developed some non-gaussian models of risk that can be valued as efficiently as the gaussian with "reasonable" computing power ?

Pierre

by Pierre on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:01:56 AM EST
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No, I'm just saying the guy whose page I linked to upthread seemed enamored with "elliptical distributions" which are parameterised by mean, covariance, and a probability distribution for the Mahalanobis distance, which allow most of the multivariate "Gaussian" matrix algebra to be recycled, and are general enough to incorporate fat tails if necessary.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:09:13 AM EST
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Wow, sounds nice. Unfortunately, probably too unconventional for most statistics graduates recently hired in quant teams to pay any attention: considering that it will dog the front business, banks only want to look into something "incremental" to handle the fat tails (that is, some cheap ugly patch of the existing var system that you can recode with a couple of interns). Is the guy working in industry ?

Pierre
by Pierre on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:15:57 AM EST
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Yes, he is in charge of a big chunk of risk model development for a large investment bank.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:19:32 AM EST
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And will they ever disclose the new prudential requirements they get with his model to their share holders ? that is, if he gets a working VaR before the shit hits the fan and everybody knows they're broke ...

Pierre
by Pierre on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 11:15:18 AM EST
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