Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
Good work, Nanne. I wonder how we can question people like Klaus. On the one hand, it's how Europe as a whole can deal with the unreasoning brutality of some representatives of some of the new member states. On another, it's how to speak to deniers of all kinds. Or whether we actually can speak to them.

Especially when there's no dialogue - here you had no right of reply. And you couldn't troll-rate for the "communist" ad hominem!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 01:49:57 AM EST
Ha! Well, I could take it apart on Eurotrib.

I'd like to believe that most people who read my question and Klaus' response will see that he got himself hopelessly tangled up. Same goes for some of the replies he made to other questions, even to a couple of softballs. He doesn't engage them, but instead tries to spin off his old frame, and he's not even really good at that.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 02:49:11 AM EST
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You don't speak to denialists. You speak about them. Never expect a crank to turn.

In this respect, our American comrades have valuable experience to impart. See for instance www.scienceblogs.com/denialism

In particular, I like the Denialist's Deck of Cards - useful for both a good laugh and for recognizing and replying to CATO-style libertarian crankery (including global warming denialism).

Since the European right seems to have imported both its ideas and its "arguments" lock, stock and barrel from the US, I think it makes sense to look up the boilerplate responses that the American left has already prepared for us. At least as a starting point.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 at 07:51:15 PM EST
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Nice page! Grist also has a site on How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic. Since the right is reading off a scripted manual, having this page is valuable for the "facts" they will come up with. Caution! Following a scripted mode of rebuttal is not necessarily the best way to reply.

What I tried to do with my question is turn the age-old conservative tome "whatever happened to responsibility" on its head. Responsibility only matters to the right when it comes to picking yourself up out of the gutter or being a small consumer duped by corporate criminals. When the left or the greens start talking about paying for negative external effects, responsibility suddenly vanishes a long way into the distance.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 05:31:36 AM EST
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