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The military being more conservative is not surprising, the issue is self-identification as Republican which seems to be about 2/3 in the officer ranks according to surveys I've seen.

But the point I was getting at was that the same toxic mix that, to me, characterizes managerial class republicanism - a mix of ideology, media-cafard, selfishness, and sheer ignorance seems prevalent in the military. The Crawford book documents an organization that lacks responsible leadership. Here are US soldiers, who cannot rely on the military for basic supplies  despite the nearby existence of huge, luxurious fortresses inhabited by their officers. Living 15 to a room, sleeping on bare floors, covered with flies, scrounging for food, in a major city where the managerial organizations have swimming pools and gyms constructed for their use. The officers can't be bothered to even remember the soldiers names. And the officers show up now and then, waving pistols a-la-Patton, hoping for media and delivering "good work, men" speeches.

by rootless2 on Fri Jun 29th, 2007 at 06:31:37 AM EST
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I understand where you are coming from on the issue of treatment and living condition disparities. I know that the issue of body armor(as a basic supply) dates  back to the beginning of the war.  I was involved in a (non-military) security assistance program in 2003-04 that included supplying body armor. Body armor was extremely difficult to buy in quantity and we eventually had to settle for second best (but adequate) because the state of the art was unavailable with all that was being produced being delivered to DoD.

I think the war (which, by the way, I don't believe should have been started) is being fought on a shoe-string budget (as expensive as it is) and that's not the fault  of the officer corps in Iraq, but the administration.  My experience in Vietnam is quite the opposite of what your book source says happens in Iraq.  I had Marine friends at the platoon (Lt) and company level (Capt) and I know they slugged it out with the troops in the bush.  On the base where I lived in relative comfort and security, officers and enlisted lived separately, but the only officers I know of that had air conditioning and superior quarters were pilots - and of course they were combat fighters.  My officers quarters were actually worse than those of the enlisted men in our unit.  They had AC and concrete.  I lived in a stick hut and couldn't spend time there most of the year during the day due to the heat. I would never have thought of complaining though, because I was taught to take care of the "men" first, and I still believe this is a cardinal rule of military leadership that goes back centuries.  I also regularly visited army compounded units out in the countryside where everyone lived the same and the officers (up to major) fought like everyone else.

My point is that if it's that radically different in Iraq things have changed drastically, but I just don't see all the officers lazing around looking for publicity shots because they have all become "managerial class" Republicans.  I can see someone claiming this is the case from time to time.  I recall some enlisted men who disliked officers intently and were inclined to exaggerate.  By the way, I served as both enlisted and officer during my military time, and have do not lack respect for either calling.  There are good and bad everywhere.

  Maybe I just need to read Mr. Crawford's book -  I have an open mind on the matter but need to be convinced given my experience.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Jun 29th, 2007 at 08:47:07 PM EST
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Of course any generalization has exceptions and Mr. Crawford saw the worst - as member of the step-child national guard. But the stories from Iraq, from the deliberate lack of supervision at Abu Ghraib, to the unconscionable lengthening of tours, to the media driven "rescue" of the blonde soldier who got captured, all show an absence of either sensible leadership or any officer presence at all. And I think this is a new phenom in US military units, but one that David Hackworth documented as it spread through the military. The early story that blew me away was off a US camp in southern iraq where water was in short supply and some religious nut chaplin used his control of a small swimming tank to coerce religious attendence. Where was the outraged Captain or Major or Colonel stepping up to protect the soldiers? Small thing, but part of the picture.
by rootless2 on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 04:14:10 PM EST
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