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"But I also think you need either wacky brain chemistry or living examples of people who can take you to higher brain circuits. If your environment doesn't support that, you'll grow up crippled."
The mind altering drugs of the 60's and 70's performed that function. That's why they were hated by Republicans- they hate all kinds of freedom.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 10:04:39 AM EST
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I hear this argument from the most closed-minded drug users.  If their minds were closed before and opened after their drug use, I am terrified for the future of the planet.  
by zoe on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 10:11:05 AM EST
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There was a lot of people fooling themselves about their "spiritual evolution" back then.  If you'll recall most of the gurus from that era have been shown to be hucksters, cheats, liars, sexual predators, or/and nincompoops.  Which is not unexpected from a bunch of religiously indoctrinated know-nothings.

Taking LSD does have a certain Wow, Man utility.  It informs the taker perception and one's psycho-epistemology are programmable, if the taker is open to such notions.  My suspicion is most people who took LSD were more interested in watching the pretty colors.  To my certain knowledge, people who took a lot of LSD fried their brains.

It's worth noting the advice Maslow used to give when asked about how to achieve a state of Self-Actualization, "Get a job."

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 10:34:07 AM EST
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I was responding to TBG's reference to "cripples." You were probably not a "cripple," so on this topic, it's hard for us to converse.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 10:49:21 AM EST
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Ring the bell and ATinNM salivates.  :-)

Too many encounters with individuals claiming all one needs for obtaining "higher states of consciousness" - whatever that means - is a pill.

Sorry.

 

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 11:31:05 AM EST
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I'd agree up to a point. Drugs are a cheat if you want to live in the higher circuits. You get a day ticket, not a residence permit, and you also see some of the seedier parts. The real thing seems cleaner and more reliable, which also makes it very rare and much harder to achieve.

But the idea that you could rearrange and revalue the world in a different way was very powerful in its own right.

The conservatives really did hate that possibility. While they make a lot of noise about freedom they're utterly devoted to top-down control in practice, and there was mass panic when society seemed to be getting away from them in the 60s.

We'll probably have another wave of change in a decade or three, and might get a bit further ahead then.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 01:23:12 PM EST
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I wasn't speaking of achieving "higher states of consciousness" through using drugs. I don't know if you can understand me but I was thinking of drugs aiding in removing blockages to reaching another level, particularly #4, the adult stage. It seems to me that "crippled" people have difficulty to reach that stage.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 02:12:54 PM EST
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