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I don't want money literally linked to anything.  But when the gold bugs come out of the woodwork, and trust me on this, it is damn difficult to discuss monetary policy without running into them, I like to point out that it makes MUCH more sense to tie monetary value to energy than to gold.

But yes, I agree with you.

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by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 11:23:49 AM EST
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I have been promoting for some time now

Price dollars in oil, not oil in dollars

an International Energy Clearing Union and a "Value Unit" based upon a "dollar's worth" of energy - in its various manifestations - at the launch date. From which point an "EnergyDollar" would part company from the $.

But the bulk of value in circulation in modern economies - in excess of 70% in the UK - is based upon property - and particularly land - rental values.

Over two thirds of our money in circulation is property-backed but deficit-based credit created by banks etc as mortgages.

I have another instalment of guerilla warfare going on with HiD over on

So they all knew it was a bubble, now?

It's not easy to explain a complete new land/property-based monetary system in this medium, but I'm quite happy to explain and refine these ideas with anyone. You can't change the system by yourself, but it is pretty clear to me (if to no-one else ;-) )that it is in the pooling and sharing of risk and reward in simple - and optimal - new ways that the solution lies.

John Law it was who first outlined, in 1705, a proposal for a land-backed money. I believe that this is possible quite straightforwardly using networked "Community Land Partnerships" to create "Pools" of Land and Property rentals.

During the next two or three months - particularly if I get a week somewhere nice and quiet with my laptop - I intend to set out an outline of how we could create what is a domestically fungible pool of "Land Rental Units" using "Community Land Partnerships".

The final principal form of "Money's Worth" is our time or "Labour".

When a counterparty (whether a bank or anyone else) accepts my credit it is (in the absence of security) essentially backed by my time.

Here I think "Time Dollars" play a role.

These would essentially have a value related to the value of the average human being's time to the community.

This would be related to a rate that every citizen doing work for the Community is entitled to: eg at $10/ hour a "Time Dollar" is worth six minutes of our time.

That does not stop me giving you 500 "Time Dollars" for an hour's worth of your time, if you are (say) a dentist.

All of these forms of Value: Land Rental Units (eg acre/days); Energy (Kilowatt/ Hours) and Labour (Individual/ Hours) have a value in exchange.

Now if we exchange all of these more or less fungible units within a barter network or clearing system, then the minute we allow credit then the result is a monetary system, requiring an abstract "Value Unit" as a measure, and a guarantee, which would come from a mutual "Guarantee society" backed by a "default fund".

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 01:12:18 PM EST
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what a waste of effort.  dollars, "time dollars", whatever.   They're all the same.  It's all just a way to to store excess until the future or borrow against the future to have something today.

money is work.  Some have to sweat in the fields to make the money.  Others have a spark of brilliance that makes 100000X the value of digging a ditch.  Others just get lucky and get born on top of a pool of oil with enough kin with guns to keep control.

by HiD on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 03:38:06 AM EST
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Money stores nothing: Capital is stored work.

What kind of monetary system do you advocate?

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 03:52:03 PM EST
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the one we have works fine.

money = capital as long as the money has value to the group using it.  A building or piece of land can be just as worthless in the short run if their is no one interested in using them.  For example, you couldn't give away much of Eastern Germany for a while.  Or housing in places like Detroit where population is dropping.

by HiD on Tue Aug 21st, 2007 at 05:10:30 AM EST
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the one we have works fine

Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Aug 21st, 2007 at 02:54:41 PM EST
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For me your proposals are clear ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 21st, 2007 at 06:16:43 PM EST
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