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Cramer is a self-promoting asshole who shouts loudest when things are bad, because that's when he gets his name splashed all over. Nothing else.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 01:45:45 AM EST
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I don't watch Cramer except for Youtube clips but...

Did you notice that not long after, the Fed DID open the discount window?

I can assure you, the Fed does NOT listen to me like that. (sigh)

"Remember the I35W bridge--who needs terrorists when there are Republicans"

by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 03:33:11 AM EST
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I was having a conversation with a friend last night.

I was talking about the "discount window", and the bank run in LA and the possibility that for the first time in 70+ years Americans could see a real bank collapse where people see their money got puff.  Now I undertand that the FDIC insures up to $100,000, but after that you're on your own.  

My friend is from Mexico, and he was telling me about the peso crisis in 1994.  He lost everything.  As much as we like to think that we are immune to this in the developed world, we aren't. The political impact of hundreds of thousands forced from their homes, others who've lost the money they've put in the bank. We aren't prepared for that.

Now the government can step in to provide order, but after what happened with Katrina, I'm not holding my breath.

And when you subject a nation to that sort of economic hardship you intitate Polanyi's double movement.  Society acts to protect itself, and that can come in social democratic form, or that can result in appeals to God and country.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 12:49:48 PM EST
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amen

the UK is worse.  The govt cover is about L15K at 75% if I remember from the time when BCCI went down.

Money is a social contract.  If the contract fails, those who are ahead get hosed.  Those who are behind get a redo.

by HiD on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 03:32:42 AM EST
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In France it's 70 000 euros of deposit per institution: if you have have multiple accounts at the same institution the total insured is 70 000 euros. If you have 70 000 in bank A and 70 000 in bank B and both fail you get back 140 000 from the insurance.

Details, kind of deposits covered and list of institutions covered by the insurance are here:

http://www.garantiedesdepots.fr/spip/article.php3?id_article=6&id_rubrique=6

Delay for repayment is 2 monthes.

by Laurent GUERBY on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 04:07:20 AM EST
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You've got to be kidding.

The UK only guarantees to 15,000 quid, are you serious?

I can't understand why the British would even put money i the bank.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Aug 20th, 2007 at 09:55:25 AM EST
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No it's twenty thou per institution, paying out at 90 pence on the pound.

Regards
Luke

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by silburnl on Fri Sep 14th, 2007 at 01:53:13 PM EST
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Hi, welcome on ET silburnl !

Do you have a reference/URL for this information? I've been looking for it (now that there's a bank run in the UK).

90 pence on the pound looks like a big mistake because it gives incentive to run in all cases!

by Laurent GUERBY on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 07:52:26 AM EST
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No problem Laurent, thanks for the welcome although I've been lurking here for a while.

My shot from the hip was wrong in fact, it's been a while since I looked at this stuff. The protection for bank deposits is actually:

First £2k - 100% covered
next £33k -  90% covered

leaving anything above £35K vulnerable if the bank goes under.

Here's a link to the horse's mouth:
http://www.fscs.org.uk/consumer/key_facts/limitations_of_the_scheme/compensation_limits/

The point is moot however, since the Chancellor announced last night (after it became evident that depositor nervousness was likely to spread to other banks) that for the duration of the current crisis HMG is standing behind Northern Rock for all of their deposits and will stand behind the entirety of deposits for any institution who approaches the Bank of England for lender-of-last-resort funds.

Thus politics trumps moral hazard.

Regards
Luke

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by silburnl on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 10:22:55 AM EST
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