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We have no garden, but we do have local parks, no food but plenty of looking-after and nuturing.  One neighbour has started to grow vegetables, but...I have this idea that as long as there are cars around your veggies get coated in the soot.  Maybe it washes off and doesn't leach into the edible parts.

But it sounds good.  I keep telling myself it's either a lot of land or no land; a lot being at least an acre, and then the time to enjoy it and react with and to it to our mutual benefit, and to the benefit of our neighbours.

But yeah, fruits, berries, you can check out the prices: buy it or....pick it for free, after you've put in a bit of work, but not much...well....hey!  

I'm ramblin' on and I ain't even got a garden, but good on ya, you've got a great line in there.

"more fun than painting"

Yeah!  Or as much fun at any rate, and both are...well...how to paint those fruits?

Hold on, them's be shellfish and wheat.

Maybe some grape juice in that glass.

And okay, let's go freaky.

I went to a walled garden last month, in a village near here.  The old guy asked if we'd like to see his garden, and as it was walled and as I'd been gushing about how much I loved walled gardens, in we went.  Ah!  Fantastico.  Veg, flowers, chickens, ducks, a dog, a pond, fruit trees.

"I remember saying to her [his wife] in the morning," he says.  "'Come on, have a look.  Tell me what's missing.'"

"That's right," says his wife.  "I couldn't work it out at first, then I said"

(In chorus) "All the trees have gone."

Whmmmmmmmmmmmmmmpf!

That was the '87 (I think it was) hurricane.

The next door walled garden was in a state of disrepair, a huge hole in the wall where we could see into it.

"That's owned by the local estate," he said.  (The estate in this case being some business or person that owns the stately manor of which the walled gardens were once the property.)

If I lived a cycle ride away, I'd be helping him out with his garden of a weekend, learning the craft, because I'd like to learn those skills, and I like that size--maybe "football pitch" size, but they've built on most of that land.  Still, he has his walled garden!

Hey, afew if you're reading, have you got land?  I have this sense of you out there, among the shepherd folks.


Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 11:48:01 AM EST
.I have this idea that as long as there are cars around your veggies get coated in the soot.

Depends. There's no way I'd have eaten anything that grew in the basement garden: it was in a nightclub area and people used to provide, um, liquid feed on occasion, though less so after we planted it up - I guess they realised it was a residence and pissed on the office next door instead. On top of that there was a lot of traffic on the road outside, which was  a major artery into the city centre: trucks, buses, cars all  stuck in traffic jams ten hours a day.

The air around our place is ok enough for lots of lichen growth, and given that bought in food passes through trucks, loading docks and so on, not to mention whatever is sprayed on it, I figure it's not going to make much difference.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 11:59:02 AM EST
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You talk about "liquid feeding" in your basement garden, I know of at least one major UK supermarket, whose warehouse staff are denied toilet breaks and so similarly refresh the vegetables.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 12:13:16 PM EST
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Spill!
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 02:08:09 PM EST
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My friend has a liquid feed problem; his is with cats.  He tells me that it kills his plants dead, and I'm sure he said you couldn't eat the plants either, though if they died before fruiting, ach.  So I've heard cats can be bad for yer veggies, or more specifically cat's pee.  Am I harbouring an unnecessary negative here, cat people?  Or do you have to train the cats to keep away from the veg. area?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 01:57:51 PM EST
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That doesn't sound right, unless they concentrated on a single plant for some reason or you had lots of cats in a small area - Sam's grandmother has difficulty growing things in her small back yard with several cats at a time and very small growing beds.

The little buggers will dig up areas of open soil to bury their crap though, which is the main problem with them.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 02:01:50 PM EST
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Yeah, that might be the one.  Very small plot, lossa cats, none of them his, but they liked his garden for some reason.  Maybe he was the only one who didn't beat them with a stick, or maybe it was the only garden that didn't have its own cat(s) so it was a public space for t'others.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 02:13:17 PM EST
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Large doses of cat pee will definitely kill plants.  To keep them out of pots, people here put pinecones on top of the soil -- it doesn't hurt the plant, you can water over them, and the cats can't stand on them.  Don't know if that would work on a whole bed, though.  You'd need an awful lot of pine cones.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 02:16:55 PM EST
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... as areas get larger, the dissuasion to rabbits is likely to be a stronger positive impact on garden productivity than the negative wastewater mgt. impacts ... but with enough space that protecting every potential trouble spot is problematic, I reckon the question becomes what plants will attract cats, so you can direct them to an area where they will not cause any problems.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Aug 8th, 2007 at 02:56:07 PM EST
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