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I wish I could vote...and sure hope this gets people to the voting booth to do the correct thing and defeat SVP.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 08:40:02 AM EST
Thanks for putting this into a diary Bob. I wanted to respond to this in the Salon but didn't get chance.

This is really one of my worst fears coming true.  It's a slow process, allowing racism to creep in to such a high level.  But once it reaches a critical point it seems impossible to stop it advancing further into a position where it is able to dominate, such that we seem to be seeing with Switzerland and the SVP.

I know people often think that us lefties bang on about black people and migrants and their rights and the dangers of far-right parties and activists and they think "it's not a real threat".

But the failure to challenge and stamp out racism when it is only small local groups organising, leads to netowrkign and sophosticated organising and then to national parties getting a grip in running countries with no regard for the rights of black people and migrants and so on, but also with little regard for other minority groups of 'natives' or for the well being of the country as a whole.

And now we are seeing Nazi-esque legislation being discussed.  When will people learn?

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 09:21:25 AM EST
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I wish I could vote...

I know the feeling.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 02:59:22 AM EST
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I am becoming increasingly convinced of the need to extend the voting franchise to all residents regardless of nationality. I read once in El Pais that this is actually favoured by a majority of Spaniards in opinion polls.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 03:07:25 AM EST
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by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 03:36:57 AM EST
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Page, you're married to a citizen... It can't be all that hard to get citizenship yourself, or is it?

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 03:15:52 AM EST
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So I guess it's not that hard, I'm just impatient, and wanted to vote last November.

Also, if I get Dutch citizenship, I am required to give up my American citizenship, which means I couldn't vote in the US :-(

That's not cool.  I need to be able to vote in US elections, for obvious reasons.  Gotta keep the evil (GOP) at bay.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 03:36:13 AM EST
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Is it a Dutch requirement that you give up your US citizenship?

US State Department: Dual Nationality

... In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. ...



Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 03:44:44 AM EST
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There are some exceptions, but basically the current (and the previous) Dutch government wants to "strengthen the ties" of the immigrants to the Dutch state by not allowing dual citizenship. This is how they explain the policy, anyway.

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--
by tzt (tzt) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 06:18:36 AM EST
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