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That's what I'm hoping -- that doctoring the actual ballots would simply be too big a job.

I'm not sure about Tower 7, but I don't believe in the whole 9/11 conspiracy.  The evidence I've seen points to it being what we saw, -- a terrorist attack -- and the amount of coordinating necessary would be impossible for the feds.

It's a bit like the line that "Mac guy" has in "Live Free or Die Hard" when Bruce Willis's character suggests the government must have ways of dealing with the Firesale attack on the nation's infrastructure: "It took FEMA four days to get water to the Superdome."

So, no, I don't believe it's possible for the feds to have done it.  Plus, the "Truthers" are pricks.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 08:40:39 AM EST
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It's not only hacking computers. It's taking control of the physical ballots and changing them, not a simple task. And they are counting now! If Dennis K. is satisfied, then I'll be satisfied.
I haven't mentioned what this would do for the reputation of New Hampshire which prides itself in being the first primary in the country. (This may change anyway.)

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 09:15:06 AM EST
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Yes, they're counting now.  Apparently Kucinich paid for the two largest counties (Hillsborough and Rockingham), which would include the "big" cities of Manchester, Nashua, and others.  This is where EDA also suggested the fraud likely took place, since we have such massive changes between hand- and machine-counted votes -- a complete flip in Hillsborough from Obama to Clinton, which itself would be enough to overturn the result, even leaving aside the other counties.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 09:21:54 AM EST
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Drew J Jones:
That's what I'm hoping -- that doctoring the actual ballots would simply be too big a job.

You don't doctor the ballots. Unless I'm missing something, you can simply swap whole boxes of them with boxes full of the results you want after the election.

The original machine counted ballot shows the results you want. Then when there's a recount, the paper trail also shows the results you want.

I'm not sure how strong paper ballot security is, but the only way to keep it watertight is to have representatives from both parties and at least one indepedent observer watching the boxes all the way from the initial ballot to final count to storage. Storage has to be sealed, vetted for political independence, and secure.

I think you'll find few, if any, of these measures were in place in NH.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 10:17:40 AM EST
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By the sound of it from Harris, it seems to depend on where you are in New Hampshire.  The state has laws and guidelines, but I think a lot of the decisions are made at the local level, which is deeply troubling, since the public doesn't pay a sufficient amount of attention to state and local politics.  Some of them seem to be secure, while others don't.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 10:25:55 AM EST
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