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We have a stick that we can use to take the measure both theists and non-theists. Let's use it and let the chips fall where they may.

Yeah!  But now I'm finding myself questioning the declaration.  My emphasis:

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 2.

    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

The highlighted part means: no knocking those below you; and no knocking those above you.  I get the first reading, but the second--it depends on what they're doing...

These are just tweaks, though, and it's a human document--a declaration by humans, infallible as we all are, sorry I mean fallible--

Online Etymology Dictionary

c.1412, from M.L. fallibilis "liable to err, deceitful." lit. "that can be deceived," from L. fallere "deceive."

...but yeah, a document worth discussing--analysing like those scholars do with religious texts.  Look at the history, the words, the constructs--is it any good?  Who (if anyone) swears allegiance to it?  What have been its effects on law?

(!  Maybe I mean--and agree with you who stated it!--that behaviour is more important than the ideas that justify it--or even cause it; because behaviour is where we edge towards agreement--what's intollerable?  Being constantly shouted at.  Being ignored by everyone.  The sciatica.  The sound of the wind through the orchard--it moans!

Basic respect--we fail but if our aim is to understand--

Online Etymology Dictionary

respect (n.)
c.1300, from L. respectus "regard," lit. "act of looking back at one," pp. of respicere "look back at, regard, consider," from re- "back" + specere "look at" (see scope (1)). The verb is 1542, from the noun. Meaning "treat with deferential regard or esteem" is from 1560; respectable "worthy of respect" is from 1586 (implied in respected).
"I have certainly known more men destroyed by the desire to have wife and child and to keep them in comfort than I have seen destroyed by drink and harlots." [William Butler Yeats, "Autobiography"]

My word!  

And for nanne, who typed longly!, a double bill flip--the same song, different words (but some are the same!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 06:42:42 PM EST
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Thanks, rg
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 at 04:05:35 AM EST
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