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Firstly, I had an epiphany last night that Obama is Sarko; their political campaigns are identical for all intents and purposes. By epiphany I mean sudden intuition. By intuition I mean not justified; I have no exposition as yet to describe their ideological similarities or of course predict any mutually beneficial outcomes.

Neo-liberal is inadequate.

Secondly, your article will not be well received at dkos. No one (a bit of exaggeration) in the US can project international consequences of the presidential election. No one (more hyperbole) on the www is even concerned about Congressional gambits in the '08 election cycle. Perhaps they are waiting until V-E Day, coinciding with canvassing season, to advance an analysis of the president-elect's political capital, so to speak?

I'm glad your cross-posted/ I didn't recommend it, given the commentary thus far. Doing so is an empty gesture.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 07:03:33 PM EST
Looking at dkos I think that early results indicate that you are wrong. It looks reasonably well received to me.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 07:12:32 PM EST
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It's much easier to get on the rec list here :-)

This piece was originally written with a European audience in mind, though I modified that slightly for Daily Kos. But it's still in the right place here.

Daily Kos reminds me why I got off Usenet, frankly. Big sea. A constant stream of diaries, most of them seem to be repeating campaign spin from one candidate or the other. With predictable comments. I imagine that it is especially crazy due to the election season.

Still, I appreciate that a number of people liked reading the piece.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 08:08:07 PM EST
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In all fairness to dailyKOS (and I am not always fair) they are explicitly set up to get the Democratic Party elected - as opposed to journalistic or free speech considerations.  

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 08:19:14 PM EST
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I know. For the record, this is just about the diaries section as it looks right now, not the front page, which I read every now and then and appreciate.

There have been 65 diaries after mine at the moment I'm writing this... after 3 and a half hours (I'm reminded, it's time to log off) I expected the orange place to be busy, but this busy...

It'll be worthwhile repeating some points when the nominee is clear and things have calmed down a bit.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 08:54:34 PM EST
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You should ask Jerome about posting tips.

Obama has captured the hopes of a huge number of people. Especially important in that is that he has captured the hopes and dreams of the black population who just may show up in record numbers to vote for him. I guess after 8 years of dear leader people are desperate, and hopeful. The pixels are working over time.


aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 09:39:54 PM EST
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You should ask Jerome about posting tips.

Tips are always welcome!

I did not go into this flying blind, though... I remember some comment here about when to post on Kos (aimed for 23:00 CET, overshot that a bit), but I can't seem to find that.

But I don't want to bitch too much. For a first diary, it did reasonably well. Next time I'm going to be a bit pithier, a bit more controversial in the intro.

Let's just say that the quality of the feedback here on eurotrib is, as usual, amazing.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 11:25:10 AM EST
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How I measure "well-received" at dKos weights number of comments by comment content.

In review this morning, I find one directly addressing the prompt: US militarization of Africa, justified by Clinton doctrine as distinct from BHO "exemplarism" (what a novel turn of phrase that is! Not) or JRE "MICtourism" (for want of a slogan -bwah!- to describe his Kemp-Biden-Herzliya orientation to containing nukes; Do you wonder where NATO fits in the "Marshall Corp"?).

I recommended nanne's article here because I expected thoughtful responses insofar as any one is capable of differentiating the POTUS candidates'strategic methods and conceiving of political priorities within the EU. That's a stretch for the average American who is as mystified by back-packing Europe one summer as s/he was once charmed by GWB's inexplicable ability to miss such an "experience."

I believe my prediction is vindicated.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 10:09:47 AM EST
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... counting as well-received?


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 10:33:05 AM EST
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All the comment contain content. So let me further qualify my metric with the expectation that the content demonstrate some analytic process.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 10:59:52 AM EST
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... stereotypical content ... the old definition of information as a difference that makes a difference ... so I don't count, "I agree so you are right", "I disagree so you are wrong", "I agree/disagree with you because I think that doing so helps candidate X", "You obviously have the hidden agenda of supporting candidate Y", and that often takes care of in excess of half the comments.

Of course, if a diary hits the reclist, the content/comment ratio often takes a severe negative hit. Its not called the wrecklist for nothing.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:00:56 PM EST
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Mr McF, I recall fondly the first time you responded to a comment of mine at dKos. "Rein this pony in ..." LOL

Well neither the psychology of the individual nor that of markets allows constraints defined by economic theory of rational agents.

Say, I've been meaning to report to one of your Biker reports that I've encountered a couple multi-taskers in MD: phoning while pedaling. Is this the seed of a trend? I hope not.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 04:57:54 PM EST
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... I multi-task on my bike ... I listen to Australian news and science fiction short story podcasts while riding.

But ... I don't call those gadgets to allow people to use the mobile in the car "hands free mobiles" ... I call them "brain free driving".

At least if the cyclist is doing it, they are mostly risking their own neck.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 06:49:55 PM EST
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If by "well-received" you mean nanne didn't get flamed then yes, it was.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 05:41:21 AM EST
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It's not that hard to project when the actors have a track record.

It's 2000. What kind of world can Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle build?

It's 2008, if Clinton wins, what kind of world will Holbrooke create?

by Upstate NY on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 07:46:08 PM EST
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MarketTrustee:
Firstly, I had an epiphany last night that Obama is Sarko

Maybe not so much.

I think that diary nails it to the wall.

Not to suggest the identity is perfect. But I think it explains some of the unease that some people are feeling around Obama.

And it's a feeling I've had myself. I remember arguing with people who Just Didn't Get It in 2000. The feeling I have now isn't quite so obvious and panic-stricken, but it is similar.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 10:44:24 PM EST
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The bankruptcy of American democracy is illustrated by the fact that Obama chooses to campaign on such empty sloganeering---and that it sells.
Gore is right- the political dialog in the US is broken.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:59:16 AM EST
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Wouldn't this be the bankruptcy of any democracy?

There are 300 million Americans. We have an electoral college system instituted at the time of the founding of the nation.

This has consequences. In certain states, the candidates can have a more heady discourse. In others they can't. n Iowa, the Republicans have to pay attention to farming and God. In New Hampshire they don't. This is why Huckabee wins in one state and drags in the next.

The States are nowhere near as fractious as the EU of course, but you can imagine trying to run a campaign for Europe.

I agree with you that there is little substance spoken (although each of the candidates have offered detailed plans that are easily reviewed, seldom referred to for fear of boring the electorate) but this superficiality speaks to the deep fissures in American culture.

by Upstate NY on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 10:30:01 AM EST
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Upstate NY:
Wouldn't this be the bankruptcy of any democracy?

As always, it comes down to education and the media. A critical media and a critical, informed population would be far more democratic than what we have now - anywhere.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 06:25:47 PM EST
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Same here, I have a very uneasy feeling about Obama, but as you said not as bad as in 2000.

To me Obama is like an empty screen or a Rohrschach inkplot - you can project whatever you want, whatever you hope for on him. And my guess is, it will be a rude awakening for those people if he becomes president, because even if he should be a much better president, than my feelings indicate, he will not be able to fullfil these undefined projections on him.

Like so many times before, I really hope to be proven wrong - it would be even a great joy to be proven wrong for a change.

by Fran on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:14:19 AM EST
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To me, Obama is Sarko with added Empathy, and both remind me of Blair in that they all believe in nothing other than in gaining and retaining power and (in Sarko's case, Kudos).

I doubt whether any of them have ever had an original idea in their lives and all therefore go with the ideology foisted upon them by the Corporatocracy.

Except that if and when that ideology is generally perceived to have failed (which it is doing right now) both Obama and Sarko are capable of turning on a policy sixpence and doing something else.

It is the job of ET and others like us to get that "something else" out there.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 07:58:22 AM EST
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I must be missing something in Sarko.  To me he is "that horrid little man" always popping up unwanted being terribly chummy with Merkel and others who really wonder what he's on.  He has about the charm of a smart teenager always claiming to be smarter than everybody else.

We are so used to people like Blair looking like intellectual giants compared to Bush.  Any of Obama, Clinton, Edwards and maybe even McCain would make Sarkozy seem like a very marginal figure in the grand scheme of things. Even Putin has more substance though I'm not sure I like the substance.

The American's sometimes complain that when the want to negotiate with "yurp" they don't know who to ring.  I hope it's not Sarkozy because he'd give away the Common Agricultural Policy just for an invitation for a State visit to Washington and a white tie dinner in the white house.  Thats why Cecilia had to go and a replacement had to be lined up.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 12:58:42 PM EST
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here between Sarko-Bush-Obama et al is an ideological and concrete regression to the mean ;)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 04:46:25 PM EST
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Yes, the "identity" is suitable yet too little, too late, coming from Ms Alegre who is/was a hard-core HRC campaigner.

I'm well aware of the rhetorical debt BHO owes that creature -- that economic "beacon of opportunity," preemptive doctrine, NIE applications, affordable housing?, energy policy!-- since '06. When I was still commenting at dKos, comparisons were rejected out of hand. BTW, the most peculiar remark in my mind, at any rate, was BHO explicit statement that he agreed with GWB on maximum sentencing.

The perversion of due process in GWB's wake cannot be understated. Most recently I indulged in a lop-sided discursion on creeping unitary theory, specifically the putative adjudicative function of "my"(BHO's phrase) DoJ. And as it happened one week later, Charlie Savage (Boston Globe) filed a survey of leading candidates of both parties. I lurked dkos, seeking coherence on the subject and finding none.

Doubtless the expectations of the American voter, irrespective of race or blog activity, are so low as to be immeasurable. High paradox on the campaign trail of "change," no? I am discomfitted by the notion that the myth of a classless society is at last affixed to personal finance.

Relating Obama to Sarko now is a demographic wonder, a wholy intellectual digression perhaps. All that I'm able to express here is that I was much impressed by Sarkozy's ability to split the left by generation, using "reform" as an axe, serated by promises of marginal "opportunities" for the youth vote. Then, again, I am not as intimately familiar with his rhetoric as I am his um stature.

Suffice to say, should BHO win the office, I look forward to warm coordination between him and the leader of the francophone universe in devising solution to um shared unemployment problems.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 07:00:49 AM EST
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