Europe vs. Clinton, Edwards and Obama | 66 comments (66 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

The US got up to plenty during the Cold War -- see Wikipedia, List of United States military history events

I think the only post-war President who did not effectively wage war was Jimmy Carter. On the other hand, three of these wars - Korea, Iraq (Desert Storm) and Afghanistan - had the required support in international law.

I don't think setting up the EU as a competing block is the solution. The solution is ultimately to strengthen global governance and tie the US into it.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 08:15:38 PM EST
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They won't even buy into what little international governance there is now - seeking to destroy the UN, not signing up for the Hague and Kyoto conventions etc. American exceptionalism does not allow for America to be ruled by any "global governance".

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 08:42:38 PM EST
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American exceptionalism does not allow for America to be ruled by any "global governance".

The ideas do conflict, but there is nothing logically exclusive about American exceptionalism and global governance. For instance you can believe that America is the last, best hope of earth, or "the indispensible nation", or history's shining moral beacon, and still think it is worthwhile to sign and abide by treaties and support the UN. Much of international law has been shaped by the US. By and large, outright opposition to global governance has come from the post-1994 Republicans.

Signing up to the Kyoto successor treaty and the International Criminal Court are critical tests for the next US President.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 05:21:56 AM EST
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The whole international system, UN, World Bank and IMF and WTO were set up to the US specification when the US was powerful enough to dictate the terms and control the institutions. Under Bush the US has been trying to undermine the international system because since the 1990's it is increasingly unable to control it. the "Saner" US presidential candidates want to reassert control, while the others will continue with the dismantling. But the US will rather retreat into isolationism than accept being an equal to any other entities.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 05:38:09 AM EST
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The general point being that Global Governance is all very well so long as it is led by the US of A.

It's a bit like the EU being all very well and good as long as long as it is led on UK lines!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 09:30:57 AM EST
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The general point being that Global Governance is all very well so long as it is led by the US of A.
It's a bit like the EU being all very well and good as long as long as it is led on UK lines!

It's a good argument. We should aim for more IMO, but whether we can expect more... I don't know.

Now, whether the UK has ever lead the EU is eehm... something that can very well be questioned.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 09:43:18 AM EST
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(drop the a in lead)

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 09:45:58 AM EST
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Led on UK lines and led bvy the ... (4.00 / 3)

... UK are two entirely different things. The FT demand for Anglo disease EU-wide is not that the UK imposes Anglo disease ... they are perfectly happy if it is a self-imposed disease instead.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 04:51:22 PM EST
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