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... Iroqouis Empire, which, according to a book I read last year(1), wasn't really an Empire.

(1. Jennings, Francis, The Ambiguous Iroquois Empire, 1984, ISBN 0393017192)

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 05:48:15 PM EST
Iroquois Confederacy, which was sometimes 6 Nations, including the Tuscarora.

The state employees who write the pamphlets, etc. seem to think that the rubric came from the commercial success of the Erie Canal.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 05:55:29 PM EST
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The Tuscarora were Iroquoian, but for long lived further south, in what became North Carolina. The usual abuses from encroaching settlers led to a war between 1711 and 1713, after which the defeated Tuscarora were invited north by their five brother nations.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2008 at 07:10:47 AM EST
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We could get into a detailed discussion of this topic, but Jennings suffers from "anthro ego" disease.  Basically, the Rotinossonni never claimed to be an empire; the early anthros did, romantasizing the natives as some kind of heroic natural Romans.

One of the first true anthropological studies in the New World was written in 1851 by Lewis Henry Morgan, "League of the Iroquois."  His works were read by Marx and Engels in detail.  While he got many details of daily life more or less, he widely missed the basis of Rotinnosonni culture.

While not being an empire, just ask Franklin and his comtemporaries whether they were crucial to the structure and relations between the colonies themselves, as well as between the colonies and England.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 06:07:54 PM EST
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Jennings argues that the 'Iroquois Empire' was not an Empire ... claiming that it was an Empire was a convenient fiction for the New Yorkers in power struggles against other colonies.

Irrespective of how successfully he chronicles the League, AFAIR, the colonial records include the doubly inflated claims made on the basis of an inflated claim of the extent of Iroquois dominance and the inflation of peace treaties into a vassal status with the English crown.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 06:33:08 PM EST
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